Straight Outta The Lair with Flex Lewis
7x Mr. Olympia 212 Champion Flex Lewis presents Straight Outta The Lair, the podcast that aims to bring you vital information for your life's ambitions, providing valuable insight from interviews of the many many different faces that walk through our doors at The Dragon's Lair Las Vegas and a few from the man himself.
Straight Outta The Lair with Flex Lewis
Jesse James | Bodybuilding, Magic, & Comedy | Straight Outta The Lair Podcast
What happens when you mix comedic genius with a dash of magic and a sprinkle of bodybuilding? You get an uproariously entertaining chat with Jesse James, our special guest known for his hilarious skits and engaging content. We finally caught up with Jesse in the vibrant city of Las Vegas, proving that our elusive meet-ups are as comical as his sketches. Jesse shares side-splitting tales of using magic as a social icebreaker, including a gym session with David Laid, whose magician skills left quite the impression. Once a single prankster, Jesse is now happily engaged, providing a humorous yet heartfelt perspective on personal evolution.
Ever wondered how following different creative paths can unlock unexpected opportunities? We recount our journeys through sports fields and YouTube channels, illustrating how intuition and spontaneity can lead to groundbreaking changes. It's all about embracing life’s chapters—be it exploring theater or venturing into business—and allowing your inner child to roam free and flourish. As we reflect on our adventures, we celebrate the dynamic nature of careers and creativity, and how these experiences inspire growth and joy.
Staying at the top of your game is no easy feat, especially in the whirlwind world of social media and sports. Jesse brings his insights on mental resilience, sharing his experiences with burnout and the importance of passion in overcoming obstacles. Just like in bodybuilding, where building systems and teams is crucial, persistence and determination apply to creative pursuits as well. We discuss the importance of nurturing personal relationships and maintaining balance, even when the going gets tough. This episode is a testament to the power of belief, the joys of self-discovery, and the unwavering spirit needed to realize one's dreams.
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00:00:00 - Intro
00:11:57 - Embracing Different Paths of Creativity
00:16:01 - Pushing Past Burnout Through Discipline
00:22:15 - Building Longevity Through Determination
00:25:58 - Emotional Journey of Bodybuilding Prep
00:32:02 - Discoveries Through Bodybuilding Competition
00:40:44 - Journey of Self-Discovery and Success
00:44:14 - Belief and Manifestation of Success
00:55:51 - Wavelengths of Energy and Gratitude
straight out the lap, joined today by somebody that I think if you don't know this guy, you've been hiding under a rock somebody, somebody who makes me laugh and again has created some of the most hilarious skits, from putting on body suits all the way down to putting Dana White through a workout. The man, the myth, jesse James. Welcome to the show, my friend. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2:Thank you, can I clap for myself? No, I'm kidding, you can clap you could.
Speaker 1:Yes, what's show, my friend. Thank you for having me. Thank you, my mom. Can I clap for myself? No, I'm kidding, you can clap, you could. Yes, what's up, my friend.
Speaker 2:How are you doing? I'm good. I'm in Vegas right now. I know the Olympia's this weekend. Finally in front of this cute little thing.
Speaker 3:You're also hunting big buff women, I hear what. You're also hunting big buff women, I hear.
Speaker 2:We're shooting a video. We are shooting a video about female bodybuilding, and amongst professional female bodybuilding there is PED usage. So we are in search for those who are jacked women and on PEDs, all right. Did someone not tell you that have?
Speaker 1:you ever heard of that before?
Speaker 3:Flex.
Speaker 1:Never Moving on. Listen for the show. There's no holds bars. You don't have to watch your p's and q's or the f-bombs. We've got software. Because of old youtubers suppressed everything. Because, oh yeah, I come off hot with the f-bombs, I can't even use it. I think somebody said in the first two minutes yeah, either way, be careful, wes, wes.
Speaker 3:Watson dropped 178 F-bombs to be clear, that is true.
Speaker 1:So I don't know if you want to challenge him, but I think we're not going that direction. But, my friend, you and I are two passing ships. Yeah, I know, we have tried to align and get together. You've hit me up. I've hit you up.
Speaker 2:Literally bro.
Speaker 1:It's like ping pong, yes, literally, bro. It's like ping pong, yes, and it's not even. We're truly not trying to avoid each other. Rock we, we have, he's hit me up hey I'm in vegas, bro, I've just, I've just left to la, I just left from la, yeah, and then we sat behind each other the power slap.
Speaker 2:We finally were like, hey, hey you, we will do this. Yes, yes, we're here now. I'm glad to be here, man. Yes, yes, and welcome to the gym, bro dude. I've been here once. So in 2021 I came out here sometime in the summer. I was, uh, I was visiting with um david late actually, so we have a video of it um, and we came, we lifted here, quickly hit a, get a nice film session, did a little cardio that day, and then we went to Circa and we picked up girls with magic. That was what we did that day. Okay, tell me about this. Dave knows a ton of magic tricks, like he's basically a magician, and we came from LA. He was basically my roommate for a little while and we we drove here, hit the gym, then we went to Circa and he did these tricks to girls and kind of was like wingmanning me. I was single at the time. I'm now happily engaged, getting married next year Congratulations.
Speaker 1:Shout out Claudia, let's go, claudia, paying this guy down.
Speaker 2:And so he's like doing these card tricks where he like would put one in the girl's like teeth and then one in my teeth and then do some magic and then they would switch, and then they would be like it was the one that she put in her mouth, the one I put in my mouth, and then I would get her number or something. So it was just like some.
Speaker 3:That's a rad pickup line, but bottom line.
Speaker 2:It did work. It did work. Dave was crushing the magic. And then I'd be like what's your name, what's your number, and if you know some magic tricks, I feel like that will separate you out there.
Speaker 1:Well, Tyus the producer is a magician, Wow yeah. So, Tyus, Yo Well, I don't need you. I'm happily married so I'm fucked, but it could impress some people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, you're off the market so fuck.
Speaker 1:Tell us you're not in good use at all, my friend.
Speaker 3:The kids out there. Pay attention. You want to get laid, start doing magic.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, You're either going to be looked at as really cool or weird, or like what is he doing yeah?
Speaker 3:They're like bro, did you carry that?
Speaker 1:fake rabbit around in your pocket all day and you're like, yeah, did it work? Yeah, no, so it was a successful Vegas trip. It was it was Good, good, good Numbers on the board.
Speaker 2:That's what we do, you know Put numbers on the board. So you're a seven time right? Yeah, seven time, why not eight?
Speaker 1:Well, I decided stop at six. Right, seven was the lucky number for me and I told the world that I was going to be done at seven.
Speaker 3:Wow.
Speaker 1:And I put it out there and I retired on top undefeated and it was a good run for me, but obviously I didn't expect to buffer that to be my last show, but it was, and the story continues. Which one was your favorite?
Speaker 2:who am I is this my podcast, you can tell this guy's trade. Oh, here's the thing I actually genuinely have like questions that like I would like if we went out to dinner I'd ask you well, technically we don't have the dinner in front of us, but we can do the questions if you want.
Speaker 1:Which one was your favorite? I would say so. This is a, this is a. I would say three of them. I know that narrows it down. First, just to reassure myself that all them sleepless nights and sacrifice was well worth it, just getting that tick. But then I have this philosophy and this mentality of you can't win once. You win the title when you defend the title.
Speaker 1:So, the second one and the last one wow, because the last one I went out on my terms the best best look I had and I was able to tell myself to be present that I wasn't for the last six so I can remember everything, from the heat on the stage, the people in the audience, the interactions with the fans, all prior. Six were all muddled together, but the last one I was there well, the last one you also were having having adi as well, right?
Speaker 1:no, adi was there for for from three on. Okay, yeah, my daughter. So that played a massive factor into dad life. Yeah, that is going to be in your future, my friend dude, it's crazy.
Speaker 2:I, me and my fiance, we're getting married in july next year and super excited and then the like number one priority. She keeps telling me and I'm down with whatever. I'm like, all right, let's, let's have kids. She's like we're having, we're going for babies right away.
Speaker 2:Wow she wants to knock it out, she's ready she like, if we weren't getting, if we didn't have a date, I feel like we would would probably be either trying to have a kid or, if it happened, it's like, hey, what the heck, who cares? Let's be amazing parents, which is really weird saying out loud.
Speaker 3:It is, but I'm also excited. No, it's a thing, and I told you this because I'm a little older and I still haven't had any kids and I told him like I feel ready to have a child and maybe it just took me a long time to get there, but it's a crazy thing thinking about like preparing for that as a man, like it's just like a. I mean, I'm a woman, obviously as well, but it's just a completely different chapter of life, right In an evolution as men. Yeah, completely different chapter of life right In an evolution as men.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just, it's crazy, but you're never ready Like I didn't. It's not like I wasn't trying for my first, but I wasn't also not not trying either. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So it happened on God's time and the second one came six years later. Trust me, I would love to have hit the target fucking faster than that, but I'm not saying I didn't enjoy the process after number two. But there we go, so that is in your future.
Speaker 2:That's what I say. I'm like, hey, we can practice all we need until game day, that's right, just practice, practice, you know just get it right, makes it perfect, makes it perfect.
Speaker 1:But, bro, talking of you, know, jesse James, that we all know and everybody who's tuning in. You know obviously you've got the side that we just mentioned, the new chapters. You know now that you've got a fantastic relationship. You know getting married, that evolution stage, but the Jesse James that I follow and come to fall in love with, not literally calm down, calm down.
Speaker 2:Damn, I got excited yeah he did, he did.
Speaker 1:But the guy that I've seen just evolve on social media was that always you Like, was that confidence?
Speaker 2:always there in front of the camera, or is that something that has evolved over time? You know it's pretty wild, so not a lot of people know this, only some do. I've been on social media since I was 12. I'm 24 now, wow. So I started off making lacrosse videos when I was 12 years old under Spartan strings. It was me and my best friend. We just took our iPhones, filmed some stuff, um, and me and my high pitch voice. We would do reviews. We would do like product reviews and stuff. Like companies would send us stuff for free. We'd talk about it. We, you know, string it up, try it, try, try it, try it out. Um, and and basically we were like learning marketing from a very young age, which I think this all really helped build my whole like mind from a young age, like molded me, um, and it got me very comfortable in front of a camera from 12, you know, like 12 years old. A lot of most kids are not making content at 12 years maybe nowadays a little more, but like, especially like 12 years ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no youtube was still so new, it was like five years old. I didn't even I didn't look at views, I didn't do any. I just was like, hey, let's, I see people making other lacrosse videos, I'm gonna make them too. Looks fun. And I always had this sort of entertainer, uh personality.
Speaker 2:Since I was a kid where I mean I, I definitely could I will straight up say like I'm definitely someone that enjoys attention, like I. That's what I do for a living. I do things to get attention and build business around it, basically, and try to do it smarter and get more and more, and that's just the way it is, is what social media is. But as a kid I was skateboarding, I was scootering, bmxing, uh all sort of like extreme sports, from like four till probably 12. There was like eight years of me doing it every day and it was very much performative for me. Where I'm at the skate park and the older, the older skater bros are like dude, this little guy shredding, oh my God, and that must've just I must've gotten a lot of dopamine release from that, literally, if you break it down where I was like, wow, I love when people are cheering me on like this. So I knew my parents knew from a young age he's either going to go try to be a pro skater, he's going to go try to be a pro athlete, or he'll be on TV. And they were like this is that's who Jesse is. And I was very uh, a, very much like a live soul from like a young age and so when I found YouTube, I kind of just fell into it with lacrosse and then over the next, let's say, six years, from 12 to 18, making all lacrosse content, I w I ended up being like a top player in the country. Um, I was like ranked 37 in the country for my position. So I was top 120 player in the in the nation, um, and you know, that was my life for a very long time and I feel like I also, when I played my sport was it was a performance in a way, where when I was on the field, like I didn't just I played very unique, where it kind of just like had like a like a lack of better terms like a sparkle to it, you know, and when the crowd cheered, I loved it, you know, and like and like the other teams like shit, and then our teams cheering on like I, I, just I loved that aspect.
Speaker 2:It wasn't even the fact of like scoring the goal, that was awesome. It was just like the craziness of getting to that point to then score the goal and then the crowd going nuts. It was kind of like the engulfing of, like the craziness of getting to that point to then score the goal and then the crowd going nuts. It was kind of like the engulfing of like the theatrics of it. And I've thought about this a lot because I'm like, why, why am I like this? Why am I, you know, like, very like out there and the way I am. And I feel like that's where it comes down to.
Speaker 2:I've always been sort of a performer and even my mom would always say like, if I was, let's say I had some games where I wasn't playing well, and she's like, just go out there and like, just put on a show, like, just do your thing. And I remember a coach one time came up to me. He's like, dude, just don't think, just have your swagger, and you're good. And very like dad-ish to say like go have that swag man, but shout out, coach brennan, there you go, you know. But he said that to me and I remember I was in a rut for a few games and he said that and I was like you know what? Like, let's just go fucking perform. And it's not even about I want to go be better than the next guy, it was just perform and that just made me the best player on the field that I could be.
Speaker 2:So when I got into youtube and filming, it was very much this, a similar vibe, where it's for me this is like a performance and as much as I am me, I'm very much me off camera, as me on camera Like it's.
Speaker 2:It's maybe a little amplified cause I'm just having fun, like when you're at a water park and you're having fun when you're a kid. It's almost like I get that feeling when I'm filming or traveling and doing this stuff, where it's kind of that excitement of like let's go try that thing, let's go do that thing, come on, come on, guys. Like I literally have that like kid in me and I feel like filming and doing what I'm doing allows that like inner child to play and with all the creative things that I've done, pulled off or plan to do, I really get to fulfill that inner like theatrical Jesse and I always say say, I'm like if I wasn't playing sports, I would have been in theater and I low-key. My one of my biggest regrets in high school is not doing a play I don't think that's something that you cannot not do.
Speaker 1:To be truth and honesty with the evolution of you, I think you should take off all these bucket list things. You know, if you have that burning desire to to get into theater at this point, I think there's a lot of people that would love to have you on that stage. It would be awesome, I think about it often.
Speaker 2:I'm like, I'm like there's definitely whether it's gonna be still a pathway if you want to take that yeah, I think I think for my future.
Speaker 2:It's like right now, this era that I'm in, I look at everything as sort of, uh, like a chapter or an era, and you build your way through this era and if you allow the universe to sort of guide you and let it take you the right places and not think like I have to go this one way which is why I've gotten where I am Like I allow the world to sort of just kind of guide me, uh, to like this destination that is unknown in my head at least, you can then step off that path. You'll be it'll. It'll lead you right next to that path that's going to take you to the next one, and then the next one and the next one.
Speaker 2:I feel like I'm in an era of right now.
Speaker 2:I, my intuition, knows that, like YouTube is my era right now and I'll probably always make videos because I thoroughly enjoy it.
Speaker 2:But when that path leads me to a point where I'm like it's time to step on that path next to me, I will do it and like, whether that's going to be a business or or it's acting or trying theater, literally I don't know what it is, I'm not going to predict it.
Speaker 2:I'm just going to let it go, like, let my world guide me there. I think that's when, like, if you don't fight that path and you let the world take you to where you're going to go, that's where you can evolve into the next era of yourself. You know, like, for you, you were a bodybuilding for for a while and then that path, it's not that it led to a dead end, but it led you to the next path and you make that choice, you step on the next one and then you lead it to the next one, and I feel like that's where you see people do so many things in their span of their careers, which I think is awesome when someone does so many different things, like you've done the bodybuilding, you've done the business, you do the podcast, you sing a song, like I don't know Anything in the world.
Speaker 1:I feel like if you feel like that's your intuition and your soul sort of puts you, there and that's what you're like. Feeling is the right energy. It's always worth pursuing and seeing where it takes you Well.
Speaker 2:you're known for your high energy, hence like why you've just spoken and said so much in the last 10 minutes.
Speaker 1:I know, dude, it's amazing, you're doing my job, I think. Sometimes I'm like am I speaking to him? No, no, no, trust me, it's incredible. But that high energy, you know the content you put out. Do you ever hit like a wall where it's like wow, you know, I'm known for being this guy and to be that guy caning you out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you got to be on all the time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it definitely, like, has its moments, but I would say it was almost like when I first started having any momentum in the social media space, I definitely knew I was like, okay, I need to be energetic, so I'm entertaining, and so I'd be that person and I would give all my energy. And it was me. But it was even more amplified, I feel like, because I thought that's what I needed to do and as time has gone on, I've just kind of fell more into just me, more me and me and me that I could be. I feel like I'm definitely the most me I've ever been in my life and I'm going to probably say that again next year and the next year and you just keep finding yourself, which I'm so grateful that I don't have to feel like I need to be someone else Because luckily, my career has allowed me where me equals good, you know.
Speaker 2:So it's definitely had its times where I've felt that burnout and I feel like because I played sports my whole life like I've had burnout in my sports. You know, when a coach tells you that you practice every single day, you know, not every day you're going to be like I want to go to practice today and run sprints and my arm hurts and I got to still do it and I got to perform well. And my girlfriend just broke up with me and I got to do this Like so many things that you really can't control, but that you still have to do it, and that really ingrained my head where, when I feel burnout from social media or, you know, giving that energy all the time One I told myself if I don't give energy on the next one, it only hurts me. Yeah, maybe it. Maybe it makes me feel like a little bit less burnt out if I'm, you know, boring that video or I don't, or maybe I skipped filming that day and I'm like I get to reserve my energy. But in reality, especially in the beginning, that only hurt me, it did not benefit me. So I was like suck it the fuck up and you've done hard things when you don't want to just do it.
Speaker 2:And I feel like there's this curve of burnout where you push, push, push, push, push, you get burnt out. And regardless if you take time off this is my experience, not talking for others regardless if I take time off or I push the, the burnout subsides after a certain point of pain, like you get like so much there's been time where it's more pain than others Like I'm like holy shit, I don't think I can do this. But then you keep pushing for another week and you get like so much there's been time where it's more pain than others like I'm like holy shit, I don't think I can do this. But then you keep pushing for another week and you're like okay, I survived.
Speaker 1:What is pain in your eyes? I?
Speaker 2:never really thought about it. I feel like there's like an emotional, like weight of when I, if I ever get burnt, I haven't been burnt out in a little while I't been burnt out in a little while I've been burnt out in like more of like a managerial way than like filming, like oh, I'm dealing. I don't have an employee the right employee working for me anymore. I gotta figure this shit out.
Speaker 3:That's like business burnout and I get that but all creativity right, because you come up with so many ideas all the time.
Speaker 2:So yeah, it's the same wave right where you kind of have to. It's like the bell curve, basically, is the proper shape of the wave and when you get to the top of the wave and there's the most pressure or there's the most uncomfortability or fear or whatever it is, it's like. I really try to look at it and I'm like if I, if I was coaching myself or if I was the third person, how would I tell my friend or whatever this, this being, is that's feeling, this, like how to assess this? So like if you came to me like dude, I am so burnt out, my show is in a week, I can't do this anymore. It's like, how am I going to respond to you? Cause I see the zoom out. I'm like, bro, trust me one more week. You're going to respond to you, cause I see the zoom out. I'm like, bro, trust me one more week. You're going to win, you're gonna do amazing things and you'll have all that time you got to push.
Speaker 2:And so it's almost like being your own supporter where, even with creativity, where I get to points where that top of that bell curve is AKA, I have no ideas left. I'm fucked. Oh my God, what do I do and it's one of those things where it's just you have to just keep pushing the pedal, keep thinking, keep trying. You know, and sometimes pushing the pedal is taking the day off, and that because that's uncomfortable to me, so that's. That is also pushing into the pain of like, because I I'm almost more comfortable trying to. I'm like no, I gotta solve it. I gotta solve it, I gotta figure it out. What's the next idea where it's like, almost like that, that's the equivalent of of doing cardio for like a prep, where the cardio is the pain or whatever it is, where me stepping off the break is adding in more cardio for that to get leaner, or whatever that might be. I hopefully that makes sense, but it's like taking a step back can be really difficult because I want to go, go, go where that go, where that's just as important to make that bell curve, go back down as pushing more.
Speaker 2:So it's like assessing what is needed how are you going to treat this wound at that moment and pushing past it. So if you're a bodybuilder and you're not lean enough, you've got to do more cardio, you've got to do whatever you've got to do. Maybe you've got to train longer. You have, you have you're, you're not lean enough. You got to do more cardio. You got to do whatever you got to do. Maybe you got to train longer, whatever it might be. It's like realizing that you have to put that little bit extra in and just being like, okay, yes, it's painful, I'm going to do it. Or if it's a business and someone just quit and now you have to step in and do that role, it's like the same pain point. Okay, I got to push this pain a little bit farther and then it's gonna go back down, because now that job is finished, now You're a little bit leaner, now the video idea is there.
Speaker 3:It's sort of like yeah, you're describing, I mean you're also describing, you know, discipline and delayed gratification and it may be that made you into working out right, because it's like it takes time. You got to be consistent. You have to keep at it and no matter what you, what happens, you know you don't want to work out every day. Right, you're tired and you push yourself and you get in there and it's it's. It sounds similar with with what you're doing, right, and it's discipline that just pushes you forward past the pain.
Speaker 2:And I think that's why a lot of people can have short careers on social media is because they don't realize that, like there's a pain, that or whatever the uncomfortability, whatever you want to label it as, there's this thing that you have to push past. And if you, if you don't push past it and you let it crush, you, people quit, they, they, they say they're burnt out forever. And I'm like you must have not really loved it.
Speaker 2:Then, like if you can just bail on it, like if I need a week off, and then I'm like yo, I never want to do this again, like you don't love it anymore or you weren't really committed from the first, yeah, and I feel like that's I, that literally is what separates a champion and someone that's not a champion, and in literally anything from ping pong to billionaire business to Mr Olympia, if you, if you can't like deal with that gut wrenching determination to get past those hard points, you know, like what gets me past, that is the passion driving it.
Speaker 2:That's what the that's the gasoline in the tank is the passion. I'm just pushing the pedal, but the passion is what always has taken me and that's always why I have the high energy and it's always why I'm enjoying it. Yeah, I fucking sometimes film when fitness business in like this realm of, okay, I pushed too hard, that burnt me out, or I pushed too hard and you know I need a day off from the gym and I'm like, okay, what can I change in this, in this system that I've just done? That's going to prevent that from happening. And I feel like that's where you can build longevity, whether it's sports business or YouTube, where everything's a system. You know you build your teams, you build your business systems and if you're not evaluating them, it's going to crumble and you're not going to go anywhere with it.
Speaker 3:But the mindset and I wanted to bring this up because me and Flex talk about this all the time. You know, even this've been, we've been talking about it quite a bit because and I'm not going to name names, but you know, there's guys competing in the olympian flex is just so ingrained and understands and and you know and works with a lot of you know has these conversations with people where he immediately will be like I don't know, this guy's great but like I just don't think he has the. We're already talking about somebody who's number three in the world, but there is that big difference between getting from number three to number one and I think, like you said, anybody who becomes a champion has to be a master at hardening their mind and moving forward, whether it's easy or not.
Speaker 2:I think it's years of just doing really hard things. I'm only 24. There's going to be more hard things that I face. I've yet to. I probably yet to face my hardest day ever, yet that yeah what's that?
Speaker 2:that that hat is coming yeah and like and when that happens, like dude I'll fucking that's a fun day I'll swing and hit that shit bar, but like it's just a, it's just a mentality, and I feel like this is why when, even when, I'm hiring people and the reason I talk about hiring is because that's been like the past four months of building a team, that's building more systems of my team you can tell who has done hard things or who's been an athlete or who has, like, committed themselves to long-term goals, because people just crumble after like a month or two of any prep.
Speaker 2:You put any pressure like cause. Obviously in the beginning you got to learn a lot. Working for anybody which requires a few more hours, requires, you know, electric, paying attention to detail and if and if you crumble under that, it's like I'm like you must've never done something for a long period of time. That's been hard, with delayed gratification, and that's why the gym, like a bodybuilder has, is a great case of someone that's seen a goal and was like I'm going to be in pain for the next seven years until I hit this goal, or 10 years. You know it's like stuff takes a really long time and I feel like that's what separates people from being good versus great. On the note of bodybuilding.
Speaker 1:You done your first show and you created so much content around it and you filmed additional content whilst prepping for that show. How hard was that and what lessons did you learn from doing that show?
Speaker 2:That's a good question. So it was very difficult. We shot seven prep, eight prep episodes, including the show, potentially nine if you count the announcement In a matter of like 15 days. We shot and edited them. It was crazy. It was a matter of 21 days because we shot and edited them. It was crazy, fuck. It was a matter of 21 days Cause the show day took a week to edit.
Speaker 2:I want to take my time on that one, uh. And then during the prep, during like my last 30 days of prep, I shot three other YouTube videos that were already planned like well in advance and I'd say what I learned is like bodybuilding is so hard and it's why I haven't competed again yet. Like I'm not saying I never will. I'm sure I will step on stage again and get that itch, but I'm definitely being patient of when I want to do it, because if you do it right and you do it and you're really pushing yourself to actually get to like very lean levels and really trying to showcase yourself the best you can, it's so mentally exhausting and emotionally exhausting. It's so crazy. It's like, and obviously everyone's gonna have a different experience, especially if you're natural or you're not natural. I can't speak on. But the diet itself, you know what's crazy.
Speaker 2:It's the, it it's the. Hunger was never a problem. I honestly don't. I don't. I don't really get hungry Like when I was on prep.
Speaker 2:I never was hungry once, maybe like the last few days when I was at 1500 calories and I'm like all right, I'm three days out, I'm just not going to. I would love to have a snack. Won't do it, but it's like it's. It's crazy because if I were to do it again, there's so many other aspects of life that you have to like almost like pre plan of okay. Now that I've done it more right.
Speaker 2:The first time, I did it once where it was like a two-week crash prep that was just like kind of for content and like to see if I would even enjoy this. Second time was much more like legit to a degree, but now, if I'm going to go into this, I'm like okay. So now I know it's going to affect my relationship. The first one is two weeks. Anyone can do anything for two weeks. It's whatever the, the, the. The second prep was like eight weeks. So it's like the last four weeks really affected my relationship. Like I felt nothing numb, like like my, my, my fiance and you didn't tell her that, did you?
Speaker 2:not not like not like that, but I've told her like I would just be like I feel nothing, like I literally not happiness, not sadness, nothing. It's crazy, crazy, emotionless, yeah, and I'm like, and I so so knowing to that, going to that now it almost be like, uh, I would have that in my mind, knowing that, and I'm like, okay, I need to make sure that I pre-plan and know that. Okay, I want to make sure I still prioritize these three things, even if I can't feel anything, because I obviously do care about this woman. I want to make sure that we have maybe the one cheat day I get needs to make sure it's a nice date. I need to make sure I'm getting her flowers reminder Like, hey, I'm suffering but I care for you and I know I might not be the same person as I normally am, but like, just keeping those things in mind, going into like another prep would be really important, because I remember the one moment that was really tough.
Speaker 2:We were laying in bed and she's like I just feel like you don't want me at all. I forget the exact words, it wasn't. She's like I feel like you don't have that like connection to me right now. And I was like. I was like babe, it's not even like I don't have a connection to you. I can't feel anything Like it's. It's don't like, it's not personal, it's not like. If I could, I wish I could tell you that I don't feel that way, because I just feel empty.
Speaker 1:You're going to have the energy to explain.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was like I have no words, I'm a corpse right now. It'll be over eventually. And she's never dated a bodybuilder. This is the first time she's ever been witnessing her significant other on prep. So if I did it again I say we because it's kind of like a we thing it's not really just like a me, it's everybody around you gets affected. And if you don't know that, going like if it's your first show, you might not know that.
Speaker 2:And I think, knowing that there's so many other elements of life that you need to sort of just with not emotionally make these decisions, to do different, to act differently, differently, but like pre-plan the date night pre-plan, knowing that flowers need to come, and pre-plan, okay, every monday I'm gonna call my mom and dad and just at least thank them for pushing, like you know, keeping them in mind and stuff, whether you feel something or not, I feel like it's almost like needs to be, needs to be included in the prep. Like, okay, three weeks out we're gonna have your. Maybe your coach is like, hey, in two days we're dropping carbs. The same thought ahead of time needs to be like in two days I'm gonna get my fiancee flowers to find her, how much I love her like I feel like that would be ahead of the game?
Speaker 3:yeah, because if you're, if you're going into that and she's breaking up with you right before you're about to do the competition, that's going to ruin everything because it's like going off of intuition and your emotion.
Speaker 2:It's like there's a there so you're not going to have that intuition of, ah, I want to go get people. I want to remind people that, uh, you know, you know I, how how much do they mean to me. It's like hard to think that cause you think nothing. So what I what I'm saying is what I learned was it's so much more of an emotional journey than than even just physically, and I think what separates someone doing it more often than I have and someone doing it at the highest levels is they find a love in that journey and something beautiful about it, and not saying that I didn't find any enjoyment. But it definitely is like either I need to like figure out the prep and learn that enjoyment, or maybe I'm not, I'm not, I'll be, I'll be truthfully, I don't. Maybe I'm not, I'm not. I'll be truthfully, I don't think I'm not cut out to be Mr Olympia.
Speaker 1:Well, listen, I can tell you this all them feelings you had is the exact same feelings I had and it's the exact same feelings that everybody who you stood next to also as did I. I would have. Obviously. I've been with my wife for 13 years, so she met me and she actually used to compete too. She won the Miss USA, she won some pro shows.
Speaker 1:But when we got together she was on. She was in school doing a masters where she decided to return back to the stage. At that point I didn't know, but I was in full Mr Olympia mode. But we got together and she understood exactly what that torment was, that mental drive, that soul search. But we also knew we got to a point where my mentality would completely change. It was a laser focus and it had nothing to do with her. She didn't take it personally but to your point and that's why I love you said this for the show and thank you very much for saying that we would make sure that every cheat meal revolved around that moment together. Of course you have this fake moment of energy burst through eating food, right, but you can experience it and you can share it with that significant other.
Speaker 1:And as the show got closer again, we knew exactly what to expect. She knew what to expect more than anything else but it was a tough journey for me as much as her. But again, she was aware of it. The first prep is always learning. But the second, third, fourth she knew six weeks out was when I started going into that mode Because I had to make weight and my body did not like that 212 class. So I was always ready about five weeks out. I just had to suffer to make a number on a scale. Crazy Not to see the best version, because the best version was seen four weeks before.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:But it was all about getting into that weight class. But that was again soul searching and nobody's prep is in comparison. My prep wasn't harder than yours, it doesn't matter. You've lived a life and you suffered. You understand now what it really takes to get to that stage, because a lot of these guys who train in the gym that look lean all year round, no, that's lean Body builder. Lean is all day, not more missed meals. It's basically compounding and the closer you get to the show, the better you look, the worse you feel. But I've also found so much in that journey where I learned so much and I've said this so many times that no book could ever teach me which made me a better dad business guy. Fill in the gaps. I learned that through that bodybuilding journey. Is there anything like that that you learned yourself?
Speaker 2:Yeah, honestly, you know what I think I realized and this is kind of like it could be taken kind of dark and off like the positivity, but I'll explain. So I've always sort of struggled with control of food, where in 2018, I had a really hard time mentally and I know that I noticed that I took more control of food. I need to weigh things more. I need more control of food. I need to weigh things more. I need to do this more. I need to keep track of my calories more and I never I never really like, cause I was always bulking. So it's not like I was like, oh, I'm so skinny, I can't, I feel terrible or something, and no one no one looked at me and was like dude, like you're restricting your calories to me, like you know, it was, but it was internal and then when I did my show, I would say through the prep, it revealed to me more after the show. Like I went through the prep, I was it's for me, it was not very difficult to just stick to whatever my coach said. I was just like okay, done, I don't have to think about it, but it was after that, what, what really taught me was I really do kind of have a problem slash did always will, uh, slash always will with food and wanting to control it and almost like a like a minor eating disorder, and I've I touched base on this on my on my body dysmorphia video and what but what that did like. So, because of competing, I realized like, oh shit, I kind of do like deal with this and I didn't really know I did. And but what that's taught me throughout the past year is I've definitely become a lot healthier of the mindset of food in like in the past I would never use like oil on chicken or I would never like cause I was like too many calories, no, can't do it. Or I would never want to add butter to anything. I would just be like, eh, like maybe like a spray or something, and I was very afraid of certain foods almost and where, honestly, now I feel like my metabolism, my metabolism's better, I'm eating more than I ever have and I'm leaner and my performance and I, the way I look, I'm like very happy with. So it was almost like I had to like the competition kind of ripped off, this bandaid and I was like shit, there's a wound there I didn't even know about. So, like what it did, is it like unmasked like any like sort of problems that I've kind of had or faced with food and I had to then face them and was like, okay, if I want to have a healthy relationship with food for the rest of my life or if I want to be able to bulk even though I've been afraid to bulk for the past few years I have to get over these fears of certain things with foods. It really unmasked it and I'm honestly glad that it did, because now I have a very healthy relationship with food, you know, and I'm not like afraid of these extra calories.
Speaker 2:I was always afraid of bulking, basically and honestly like I'm not afraid of a nice lean bulk, you know. But before it was like I was like never bulking period, like Nope, it was a strong no. And then I realized and also speaking to other people, they're like you got to enjoy each segment of the, of the phase, of whatever you're in, like if you're bulking dude, enjoy getting strong, enjoy feeling huge in a T-shirt when you normally you feel skinny. So it's kind of like the competition ripped that, bandaid off and I was like, ok, I have, I have things that I have to work on.
Speaker 2:I always wondered like, and not that I'm like, oh, nothing's wrong with me, but like I'd always be like, what is what, what? What traumas and bullshit do I have that I don't realize I have? And it's almost like you have to go through hard things or face things head on to then realize like, oh, okay, that's what my, my bullshit is. You know, when I'm saying, when I'm saying something out loud to make myself feel better for having that cookie or something, and I never even realized I said these things and I'm like, whoa, I totally was just trying to like, like, like I'll be around someone and I'm like, oh, I'm like I'll be good right now, don't know, don't worry about it. Or like I'll be, like I'm like, hey, at least I did cardio today, like, and I'm like, why did I just say that? Interesting? So it's like you learn these things and I think that's also just age.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like, as my frontal lobe develops, like literally that ass, this year I've, I've, oh, my God, this year has been like the most like eyeopening year because my, when you're 24, 25, as a man, your frontal lo Like, think through your third eye your third eye of like what reality of life, like in all these things, of like habitual things, and I feel like it's it's been a very awesome eye opening experience Just being able to see life like actually how it is and be like OK, why am I like this? You know what made me like this and revealing those things? So it kind of like sparked like self-discovery.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so like there was.
Speaker 2:There was some self-discovery after the show for sure, because in the show I was very locked in and stuff, and then afterwards I was like whoa, I need to heal this part of my mind in order to be able to continue doing what I do.
Speaker 3:There's a lot of maturity in that. At your age, to be honest, 24, he's very mature.
Speaker 1:Let's be honest, well, he's saying mature.
Speaker 3:let's be honest, well, like he's saying things that I was saying when I, when I turned 40, right like I'm trying to learn about myself and all these traumas that happened in my life and why these things happened to me and why I reacted in certain ways.
Speaker 1:And he's he's already like ahead of me. Yeah, he's 16, 16 years on top of his age, I feel like one.
Speaker 2:my sister is very reflective. She's more like hippie, like she's definitely a hippie and I'm definitely not a hippie, but she's older than me she's like four and a half years older than me and she's always influencing, influenced me or had those conversations of like self-reflection, or she'll go to therapy and learn about traumas that she's dealt with and we were we both we me and her basically the same traumas because we're very close in age. So, so anything happened that we've both she has different ones, of course, but we have, we have similar ones that cross paths and she'll explain like yeah, when we grew up in this and because this happened, and like we both, like I think, like this and I think that relates to you, and I'd be like, oh, my God, that's that makes so much sense of why I always make jokes after bad things happen or stuff like that. And there's a lot to learn. I definitely should.
Speaker 2:I say this every time. I would love to go to therapy. I just don't put the time in to find a good therapist. One day I will, I know I will, but I'm very curious. People don't really know this because I'm not on podcasts all the time.
Speaker 1:Thank you.
Speaker 2:And I don't have them all the time, thank you, but I don't, and I don't have them all the time. Uh, but like I I am very infatuated with like almost snowball effects of how, when you're younger, things affect you when you're older, and trying to discover them, like I thoroughly have a great time talking about that with people, like this conversation, like we talk about it a lot, you know, and like truly I trying to understand why the hell I am the way I am. Yeah, and not that I'm trying to change it or anything. I mean, there's definitely, obviously, aspects we'd all change in different ways, but it's more of just understanding. It's just understanding is very interesting, of being like wow, that's why I do this, this is why I do that, you know, it gives you a different perspective on yourself, maybe like give yourself some grace or something on different aspects.
Speaker 1:Well, I think you've done okay with all these traumas To get to this fucking stage. He's crushing it. Guys, I'm okay.
Speaker 3:The self-awareness. Though that takes a long time. That's something that happens later on in life.
Speaker 2:My fiance is like two and a half years older than me. Two and a half.
Speaker 1:Now you sound like you're 24.
Speaker 2:But like I've always gotten along with people that are older than me, I never really got along with people my age, I think, just from a young age, like being at the skate park with you know I'm like eight and everyone's like 15.
Speaker 2:And you know there's kids smoking weed over there and I'm like I kind of need not that I'm in the grown-up and anything. You know ghetto at all. I was in a very non-ghetto town but like you see that stuff and you're like, okay, you know I'm an eight year old I'm most an eight year old not supposed to see those things. But then if you do, you know you got to grow up a little bit faster, or or you hit that joint, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:Or or like getting thrown into so Not thrown into social media, but like growing in social media and having to figure out business. Like at 22 I'm like I have to hire people. At 21 I was hiring people and it's like I was 19, you know. It's like you have no choice but to figure it out or ask for help and someone teach you.
Speaker 3:Well, it was fascinating what you said too. I mean, you started it 12, bro. I know. You know so, like, and you're so far ahead because, like I mean us older guys, we didn't even have social media, we didn't have any of that kind of stuff back in our days. So, like, having that and understanding it and you know, growing your own knowledge, you know, like, obviously you learn what you learn from school and everything, but they're not teaching you any of that.
Speaker 1:That's all self-taught, right right, and that also takes discipline. Yeah, well, with the, you know, we mentioned all uh, all these different uh parts of jesse. You know, physically you know, mentally.
Speaker 1:But uh, I want to kind of shift gears and talk about the collaborations, and your success is is what has obviously blown you up. You've done so many different collaborations. Obviously, you were in town a couple of months ago working with Dana White. You've been able to and using your words kind of navigate through life to get yourself in front of people, work with people, train with people, collaborate with people. Do you catch yourself being like holy shit, how did I find myself here?
Speaker 2:To a degree. Yes, there's two answers to that One. Yes, I do, I'll be like. After filming with Dana White, I looked at my team and I was like what the fuck? I'm like?
Speaker 3:fuck yeah.
Speaker 2:I can't believe we just did that and the shoot went amazing. He's great, dana, great, great guy. It was awesome and I was like you know what. But there's also like the second layer to it where I'm like I, I I've, I've worked really hard to do that. You know like I've collabed with a thousand other people to get that collab, or I fucking navigated my way through eight people to find the right connection to get make that happen. So it's like I know I'm, I know I'm deserving of those moments because I'm like the work is, is is the proof is in the pudding, um, and there's also an element where my mom raised me in a very much way to believe in myself, which thank you, karen, uh love you Karen.
Speaker 2:Shout out to mom and she really instilled like you could do anything, you know. And so when people, people always ask her like would you ever have thought you'd be in this position? And I'm like, yeah, like I I and I mean that Like I'm not bullshitting you with some facade Like I'm, like I just I dead ass knew I would be in this position. So it's like like I'll say this out loud because it's kind of a manifestation I so it's like like I I'll say this out loud, because it's kind of a manifestation I I, I tell my fiance, put it out in the world.
Speaker 2:I tell my fiance and I say this in a very humble way I go, I go. By the time I'm 30, I'm gonna make 100 million dollars there you go I go 100 million dollars. I will, I will make by 30.
Speaker 3:We go six years, six years if you don't believe it and you don't put it out there, then why would it happen?
Speaker 2:like it's like I almost have this. Like it's not psychotic, or like it's almost like a unconditional for lack of better terms done dumb belief in yourself it's a, it's a, it's a chase delusion yes, I would be where I am if I hadn't had it myself yeah, it's like, it's like. I'm almost like confidently delusional, all the successful ones.
Speaker 3:you know that's where they are. They're in that manifestation, they're seeing that dream coming into reality and they believe that they can get there. It's like if you can't believe it yourself, why would anybody else believe it? And what's going to drive you to go to the gym when you feel like crap or whatever you're trying to do we were talking to James Hype Making tracks. When you're in a bad mood and you got to come up with something happy, you know it's like yeah, dj, in front of five people to 15 000 people.
Speaker 1:There you go. He had that delusion that he was going to be, you know, the best dj. You know he's gone from, like I said, spinning in front of five people to being a headliner. You're in las vegas and one of the most hottest djs. But you, you can say that about Elon Musk you have to be willing to suck at stuff, but you also have to put in the fucking work.
Speaker 1:You talk about your Elon Musk story of him sleeping under the desk at the office. Right, he was leading from the front and that's what you've got to do. You've got to lead from the front. You have to have that confident delusion and with me and my teams and all my employees. Now, if I wasn't doing what I'm doing, then how can you motivate your staff to do so? To put it in the unseen hours, it's like you're going to ask your editor now to flip this, this video, around fast within 24 hours, when you know you're going to go go ahead to the hotel. No, you're probably there with him. I like this change, this too. I've put them.
Speaker 1:I wasn't, but I call that the unseen, and a lot of people only see the success. Oh, I can do that. No, you fucking can't. What you have is a talent and you've been able to make that talent just much, much more bigger by just digging deep, doubling down on your craft, because from a very young age, you knew you had some sort of gift. It was entertaining the crowd and that has transitioned now onto YouTube youtube and it's going to transition onto theater and it's going to transition into your bank account.
Speaker 1:But again, you've got to put it out there and you've got to have that self-belief, because nothing, nothing can stop anybody if you have that mindset. And I've been around guys who have said these things to me and I would say, if it was said, that 90% of people and actually I've been in rooms where people have said I'm going to do this just like you've just done right now, and I hope this happens, because I've got this fucking clip now too. I love it and also I'm going to take a percentage of that too but anyway, but, but they said in the room that this is going to happen.
Speaker 1:I am am going to do this.
Speaker 1:And it's so delusional, it's so lofty and it's so high bar that everybody is like nah, that's not going to happen, yeah, but the people who believe you've got to keep them fucking around, yeah, because the ones that are around you in that circle are going to get into your head when you're having them down days, they're going to be around to say, hey, jesse, come on, let's dig deep, because sometimes you can't always lead from the front. You can lead, but you need that guy, that girl who's behind you to give you that little push, that emphasis, to say hey, you're on the right track.
Speaker 3:The groundwork's done, though, right. He's been living and walking that path. The kid's 24 years old. He's got a whole life in front of you, bro. Who knows where you could take this thing. Man, Honestly, the world's your oyster.
Speaker 1:I wish I was 24. What would be if you could tell your perfect story coming to the end of your life? Or just say you're a fucking fart. Do you like me and J-Rock? What do you want to have achieved aside from the bank account?
Speaker 2:I think, think honestly, I'll say with the bank account. It's not even that I want the money, it's more just like I know that that's such a crazy fucking thing to be like. What is it Like 0.0001% of people could do that. I mean, there's people that are even more rich but it's just like the difficulty and like how hard that will be and like how you have to be delusional to be able to pull that off is why I want to do that. You know, like I've always say I want to be rich from the great things I've done, not not just be rich I love, like I want to do such crazy shit that it makes me rich and that's why I'm rich. And the ending thing I think I'd want to leave. If I'm like a, like an extreme old man, I'm imagining myself like uh sup guys.
Speaker 3:I can't ever see that voice coming out of him, though no.
Speaker 2:So I feel like I'd want to leave, like I'd want to leave a legacy, not just to everybody, but like I feel like and this is why my what my driving force is, and I've thought, like with self-reflection, but almost do something so amazing and so big that it can truly take care of my entire family head to toe, and like I've hit a point of success where it's it's not really about me anymore, like I don't need any more for myself, like I'm good, it's about okay, if I want to take it up to the next level, one, it's an achievement too. It's I will be able to cover everyone under my family my sister, my mom, my dad, you know my, my fiance, anyone in her family and like transform their lives and then the, the like, the residual effect to the world would be for people to look at me and be like you know I kind of can. I believe I can believe in myself to do it. You know where, like some people just are successful and you're like, damn, I'll never be like that.
Speaker 2:Like why not leave a mark where it's almost, where I like because of what I've done? It's it's believable that people can do greater things to like believe in themselves. I always try to leave to tell people like if you believe in yourself, you're 75% done and there's 20, the 25% is just doing it Like the belief. If you don't believe, like don't bullshit me, don't lie Do you actually head to toe? You're like I know this is going to happen Because I meet people at meet and greets and they're like dude, I'm going to collaborate with you.
Speaker 3:And.
Speaker 2:I can like some people. I'm like, yeah, that's awesome here. Thank you, I wish you the best. I really do hope they do, but I can tell them, like they weren't really truthful there.
Speaker 3:Dude, I'm going to collaborate with you.
Speaker 2:I saw it at PowerSnap. But then you see someone like in their being and they say it and you're like I fucking believe you and I'm like fuck yeah.
Speaker 1:It's an aura.
Speaker 2:It's an awesome aura, so I'd love to leave more people with that. And who knows what it will be. I can't really predict what the end will look like, but I definitely want to have made it. And I know this answer is very long, but I would want to have made all the people in my life very. You know's the future now, whatever it is.
Speaker 2:I'm not rich unless everyone around me can like not reap the rewards, but be taken care of and like it's hard to describe. Maybe there's something in me that wants to just take. That's my love language is like taking. I want to be able to take care of you Like anything ever happens. Like come to me, like you're in my tribe, come to me. There's no like awkward feeling there and I feel like there's very few people that are in my life like that. You know the ones that have never once ever looked at me and been like whatever. Like he's made it.
Speaker 2:I feel like shit about myself. Like there's there are very. It's my close, close family and like a friend or two. Honestly, it's like one true friend. He knows who he is and not an ounce in his soul has ever ever come off in a in a bit of jealousy or anything, and it's like that's that characteristic where my family's like that and he's like that and and, and my fiance and her family.
Speaker 2:So it's like those people, if I'm succeeding, I want them to be a part of the, the reap of the reward and whatever that entails. You know, like not that I'm just like hey, who wants some money, like just knowing that, like if there's ever a health problem, like no fucking doubt I'm there to help you. You know, and that's kind of like what my world will be and you know, eventually kids will be in there too and like and, and maybe grandkids, like just kind of that, that generational, generational wealth, generational wealth and like just well-being as a tribe. And I I use the word tribe, I I put my best friend in that with my family and like, like people say, like you don't need to be blood to be family, and to be in that tribe is like you have to have that that trait of never once batting an eye at my success, never once feeling, uh, like what is it? Uh, threatened by my success.
Speaker 2:And it takes a true person to be like that, because I would be like that to him. He has a great job and like he is, he pursues music and I'm like the second you fuck. Like I'm there for you, you know, and I, it's like I, I. That is so rare that I'm like, whatever success I have, I want to be able to take care of those people, because that's like shit, that doesn't really happen you know that's that circle over years.
Speaker 1:You know there's a saying I'd rather have four quarters than a hundred pennies, and that has really, really turned my kind of mindset more recently than ever, because obviously when I had that success on the stage I had everybody around me. Success on the stage, I had everybody around me. And then when you kind of move away from that and you retire, you realize who's still calling, who's still pouring into you, who is wanting to be there, because you were good as well as that too.
Speaker 1:That's the real tell when you're failing. And I know who was there and who wasn't there, and anybody who's come into my life at different chapters too, I know who is there. When I can call at four in the morning and be like yo, shit's hitting the fan. Um, you know I need you to.
Speaker 1:You know, help me pull my fucking laundry out and put it into the washer, but anyway, that's another story for another time, but the the bottom line to to everything in life is that we're all trying to chase happiness I dude, I don't know why I like.
Speaker 2:those words were in my head right before you said it and as you started saying it, I was like I don't know. I feel like our wavelengths just smashed.
Speaker 1:It definitely did, and I feel that energy, as I've done with many, many things that you've done, my friend, and in wrapping up this podcast, because we've been on here for an hour, believe it or not, and I didn't feel like it's been that long, but I want to thank you for jumping on. I know that you're running around after female bodybuilders and I don't want to stand in the way.
Speaker 1:I don't want to stand in the way of any female bodybuilders, but your boy has already lost one arm wrestling match and somebody apparently was super pissed at him, so hopefully she doesn't turn up at the gym today, because I don't need no animosity. But all that said, jesse, you are an absolute star. For 24 years old, you have so much energy, enthusiasm and charisma. That is a trait that can't be taught, that is a God-given gift, and I just want to say, on the behalf of myself and J-Rock and the team, thank you for all you're doing, man, and I look forward to doing a collaboration in the future. Did I look like I meant it? Okay?
Speaker 2:I did 99%. Okay, okay, okay, close enough.
Speaker 1:But it's a pleasure man. Thank you, man, and I'm excited to see what you're going to be doing in the future, and that's the end.
Speaker 2:I appreciate it. Thank you for having me on. Thank you for always trying to get me to come do stuff. I appreciate that and thank you for trying to get me to do stuff as well.
Speaker 1:The other side of the phone. But is there anything else you want to wrap up? That's your camera down there. If there's anything you want to say, that's the end of the show. I love you and don't forget to stay relentless, stay relentless. This is Flex it's Rock. This is Flex it's Rock. Jesse Jams we are out.
