Straight Outta The Lair with Flex Lewis
7x Mr. Olympia 212 Champion Flex Lewis presents Straight Outta The Lair, the podcast that aims to bring you vital information for your life's ambitions, providing valuable insight from interviews of the many many different faces that walk through our doors at The Dragon's Lair Las Vegas and a few from the man himself.
Straight Outta The Lair with Flex Lewis
Athlete to Entrepreneur | Justin Waller | Straight Outta The Lair Podcast
Ever wondered how humble beginnings can lead to extraordinary success? Join us as we welcome our multifaceted friend, Justin Waller, along with co-host J-Roc, for a riveting episode packed with humor, insights, and heartfelt stories. From funny hair-related banter to a memorable salt shaker moment, Justin takes us through his emotional journey from Louisiana to becoming a dynamic speaker and entrepreneur. This episode promises a mix of laughter and deep reflections, offering a rare glimpse into the experiences that shaped Justin's life.
Our conversation then shifts gears to the evolution of athlete health monitoring. Travel back in time with us to the early days of high school football and nostalgic Metrex bars, and follow Justin's athletic journey from Monroe, Louisiana to a full football scholarship at ULM. Reflecting on the traditional college path versus today's opportunities, we highlight the advancements in sports science and training methods. This engaging discussion underscores the dedication required to excel in athletics and the incredible evolution of sports science.
Finally, we dive into the world of entrepreneurship, sharing personal stories of launching and growing a business amid adversity. From the initial struggles during the 2008 economic downturn to achieving a breakthrough on a $40 million hospital project, we highlight the importance of persistence, mentorship, and continuous learning. Hear valuable lessons on business integrity, overcoming financial hurdles, and the transformative power of mentorship. Whether you're an aspiring entrepreneur or a seasoned professional, this episode is packed with practical advice and inspiration for personal and professional growth.
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00:00:00 - Intro
00:08:41 - Evolution of Athlete Health Monitoring
00:18:45 - Launching a Business Amid Adversity
00:24:16 - Building a Business Through Persistence
00:31:04 - Navigating Challenges in Building Business
00:42:35 - Lessons From Business and Adversity
00:54:43 - Journey to Success Through Challenges
01:03:15 - Creating a Vision for Success
01:08:02 - Navigating Online Business and Relationships
01:16:43 - The Power of Evolution in Mentoring
01:28:13 - Friendship and Evolving Success
Straight Outta the Lair. Straight Outta the Lair joined today with my co-host, mr Vegas, himself J-Rock and my guest man with many talents, so many feathers in the heart, and again somebody you know I can call my friend, justin Waller. Welcome to the show, my friend.
Speaker 2:I'm glad to be here. Birdman Mama, We'll get into that later.
Speaker 1:We will, we should. But first of all, thank you again for coming into the studio. We spoke about doing this. Actually, you brought this up to me probably about a year ago.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And two passing ships. You've come in. I've not been here, vice versa. I've not been here vice versa, but we have seen each other many times in the last year, you Tab being one of them. We've got to know each other personally. We both now are chasing, speaking on various different stages around the world, so you and I share that same passion, but this podcast, mate, can go in any different direction. I'm sure, with all three of us in this room, we're going to get some laughs and a lot of information.
Speaker 1:But most of all, matt, again thank you and welcome to the show.
Speaker 2:I'm glad to be here, man, I wouldn't have missed it.
Speaker 1:My, my, my Well, this guy sitting in the corner next to me, another man that has many introductions and many feathers in his hat.
Speaker 3:Not today. No feathers in the hat today, but I'm definitely a man of many hats, literally and figuratively.
Speaker 1:Yeah, again we'll speak and introduce J-Rock more in its entirety as the show will go on. But again I'm glad to have both of you in this room again with this podcast without cans, which is weird. I normally have fucking cans on and I can hear myself talking.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you have to understand the room that you're in Flex. Yeah, this man spent this money on this hat to look so ruggedly handsome.
Speaker 1:Exactly. Let's be honest, why do we know about in fucking counts, and I?
Speaker 2:with this. Luxurious golden locks of red hair would not mess that up either. So if you want to put cans on, you're more than welcome. I do have a head full of hair. You'll see different.
Speaker 1:This is what this fucker told me last time. He's like Flax, you're starting to get bald in the back there, man.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying I was up there, I could see it and real friends. Hope you get better.
Speaker 1:I know, and what did I do? We can't tell people.
Speaker 3:Okay, okay, or they just make fun of you enough until you're forced to change.
Speaker 1:This guy says hold on a minute, I have something for you. He disappears into this room we were in Keaton's house brings out this fucking salt shaker the way it looked like a salt shaker and stays still. He starts pouring this thing in my head like this, and he takes a picture before and takes a picture after. I'm not going to lie to you. It was a big fucking difference.
Speaker 3:Salt shaker.
Speaker 2:What is that? It's a little Aikido move. I'm actually coming out with my own. I can't pub them.
Speaker 1:Oh, got you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, got you. Yeah, well, let's just, let's just talk about what you're bringing out, then I haven't developed it yet. I just think that if I give it away now, since I'm so true to using it and giving it to my closest friends that I should just hold back. I'll put it to you like this the salt shaker works. I'll show you the pictures. It's incredible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you'll appreciate it mama, listen, you grew up with very humble beginnings. A lot of people will see you for all your viral videos, your relationships with the Tates and not know that again, you came from Louisiana, very humble beginnings, as I mentioned. You and I have got to truly know and talk about some of these stories and I'm very again grateful for you to break down a lot of walls. And how this kind of happened was we were speaking, we were in a what is it a four-? Five? How this kind of happened was we were speaking, we were in a what is it a four five man kind of mastermind.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's really interesting actually that you're bringing this up, because you, particularly, and those other four people, would have been the only people that I've ever said these things in front of. I would have never even thought to say some of the things that got out, it was the exercise itself. But yes, shout out to Rene, but yeah.
Speaker 1:We have the same speaking coach and obviously our friends with Rene too. J-rock's going to get into that world as well when he finds time If I can find it right yeah we were in this in Keaton's house and it was part of what would you say.
Speaker 2:It was like an unpacking to find ways to connect with the audience inside of the ethos of what renee would want you to do. So a lot of renee's stuff and I wouldn't give away too much of it. It's like you have to allow them to see some level of the deepest parts of you, to connect, before you give them their message right and I think reene does this in a very elegant way. But to get to there, there's some exercises that I think that he was having us go through.
Speaker 3:Right, and that's where the phase like where I'm in, where I had a rough childhood. I had a lot of things, traumas and a lot of different things in my life that for almost my whole life I couldn't really talk about. I had to go through all these healing processes and things, and so I've never had publicly speaking about even my best friends, even my dad, like there's like things that I buried the pain and just soldiered on and Flex, we're so close that I've opened up to him quite a bit. And so he brought Renee in and was like bro, your story is incredible, like you need to like start telling people this because I think you can help people. And so, renee, I'm sitting down with him and having the conversations.
Speaker 3:For me it was just how do I publicly say these things that I haven't been able to even say to like my closest friends or family, and how do I put it together? Because these are things that really happened to me and I have to be okay with them. I've had to go a lot of soul searching to figure these things out and be okay with them, and being able to be open and vulnerable about those things now in front of strangers is a completely different thing. And Renee Flex, obviously Flex, he's given me a real push. I had never thought of that. And, renee, we're going to do, I'm going to do the whole course and understand that and figure out how I'm able to put those all together like you said, and very similar he's. You need to put that story out so people can identify with some of these things and really understand you before you're telling them xyz, after that, right yeah, and I think renee's completely right, and sharing these things with them allows them to hear you in a different way.
Speaker 2:When you go to drive your points home, I think if you come on stage and just tell people how great you are, like people like they've had enough and that's actually the last thing I want to do, because I don't think that's coming from the most genuine place, because it insinuates that you've always been on top.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:And that you've always like you were born gifted from God and I do believe that I was gifted from God. You've always like you were born gifted from God and I do believe that I was gifted from God. Let me be very clear, but that's a mindset choice. That's the thing you tell yourself in order to help keep your own personal psychology in check.
Speaker 1:But shout out to Rene.
Speaker 2:Rodriguez.
Speaker 1:I'll see this clip on your channel, my friend.
Speaker 2:He'll be over the moon it will not take long and good, tag me, bro, I'll repost. Yeah, but you're absolutely right. It's like in moments like that, when you do these types of exercises and you're with people, even if they're acquaintances you can't help but get much closer to them, because you get most close to the root of the thing that made them who they are, and so that was a really intense day. It was a lot of unpacking in a lot of different ways, and then the way in which that we had to do it was a such. It was so on the spot and it was meant to dig so deep that you just had to say the words as they came to you, and so I thought that was one of the most interesting parts of that day.
Speaker 1:And, if I'm truthfully honest to you, obviously I knew you as I began the show as the personality. I seen you as a successful entrepreneur. I seen your relationships with various different people. I knew we had many mutual friends, right, but I didn't know that humble beginning. So when you told that story, I was just like holy crap. I was captivated because I created this persona, as probably many who have watched this podcast.
Speaker 1:When people see success, they want to see, they want to put this story together. He's got it because of this, but they don't know the missing piece to the puzzle that created that lifestyle. Now, when you told that story as a child which is a traumatic story, not that I want to talk about that yeah, you were very uncomfortable about talking about it at first and I was like, bro, this is it, this is it, and I think everybody in that room and again to say again thanks to renee, he created a safe space for us all to talk about because, again, his ego is in that room everybody's got a bunch of them, everybody's got that persona, everybody's got that kind of everybody's the king of the castle in their own world.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I think you set that first dormant off because the whole day changed then and I think it also brought you and I closer, because then I was like man, this guy has got a story that I can relate to humble beginnings. Same for yourself. Let's talk about the humble beginnings. You, you grew up in Monroe, louisiana, correct? Yeah, I was born in Monroe, born in Monroe.
Speaker 2:Yes, and then very quickly, after a divorce, we were shot up to South Carolina for about a year and a half and then relocated back down to the Baton Rouge area, where let's just say that it wasn't the best part of town and I was definitely a minority with ginger hair, so I would get in my fair share of scuffles, let's call it. And then we moved to a different town right outside of Baton Rouge, a little town called Denham Springs, and that's where I finished out all of my elementary school and junior high and high school and from there I actually went back to Monroe to play football for ULM and that was my little golden ticket out of ending up working in the plants on the Mississippi River. I always bring up the movie October Skies. Have you ever seen it?
Speaker 3:I haven't seen it.
Speaker 2:This is a movie about this kid that he grows up in a coal mining town and everybody in that town that goes to school with him ends up going to work in the place like a generational thing.
Speaker 1:So the kid?
Speaker 2:had.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he had dreams, right, and his dream was to work for NASA, essentially, and so the whole story is about how he overcomes and decides to leave that coal mining town to go do bigger and better things.
Speaker 2:And, for me, using sports to get out of my situation not only as I was coming up, because the better you are at sports, the more likely other kids' parents are, you know, going to let you stay at their house. So that was like a little move, that was like a mini scholarship and then, but that gave me a lot of consciousness on things that were possible at least, like what the middle class, and sometimes even upper middle class, lived like, which was good, because that kind of set me on a trajectory to believe that I wanted to go to college. Now, looking back, I think we would all agree that maybe college could have been a waste of time, in a way, if I could have that four years back to put into my career Instead. Yes, I probably would would take that, especially if I had the information that the kids have today. But we're talking about 2005, when I graduated high school.
Speaker 3:It was still at that time graduate high school go to college get married it's a blueprint.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's especially in the south man. Yeah, you got the southern.
Speaker 3:You got the southern hospitality there. As I told you, I moved here from atlanta, so I get it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So there's that path you were supposed to go down. But what I knew for sure is that if I was good enough at football particularly, I could get a full ride. And so I was playing football, baseball, basketball and then decided to quit doing everything but football after my sophomore year to try to gain some weight. So that's what I did. I found my way out. Looking at it again, I wish I'd have known you. I always joke that I wish I'd have done like steroids in high school because, these kids.
Speaker 2:They would leave for summer and not work out with the team and they'd come back. And this would happen in college too. A dude would leave for summer, come back and just be 30 pounds of muscle heavier. I'm like I don't know the fuck you were taking what kind of walmart protein you were on, and the joke was on me, bro. Yeah, do you remember?
Speaker 2:180 180, yeah, yeah okay, so I was a sophomore, 180 came out and there was this one kid who was a defensive end, and he was that guy and this might not relate to you. Did you play american football? I did the guy that was like really strong in the weight room, but you get him on the field, you, you just bury his ass, cause he's just not an athlete.
Speaker 3:He has no hips, he doesn't have any athletic abilities.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he could lift the whole gym, right. But you get him on the field and it just didn't transfer to the field, right. And I just remember lining up against him the first day and remember all the year before I just wrecked his ass for the record, but he was just heavier and bigger and stronger and so it was just a little bit harder and he ended up quitting after that. But I just remember back when supplements were a thing and I couldn't afford them and I didn't do 1AD and I'm like I must have missed out, because right after that I'm pretty sure they took 1AD off the market.
Speaker 1:They took a lot of things off the market, a lot of changes.
Speaker 3:I was a big Metrex guy, those chalky Joe Montana bars. I used to eat those. They were before the internet, so you didn't really have that much information.
Speaker 2:They're in racetrack gas stations. That was my favorite protein bar, the chalky Metrex, but it had that creamy film before you got to the base, like a little chocolate chip in there. Yeah, I do to this day. If I found a box of those, I would buy them by the 12s. I love those and a sugar-free Rockstar Fuck that shit up.
Speaker 1:So you dislike them and he likes them. Am I getting that correct? No, I like them. No, no, no.
Speaker 3:I literally at times, because we didn't even have the internet right, like we didn't have cell phones, so it wasn't like you could just look it all up. I was reading muscle magazines, I was reading whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this one bodybuildingcom was really big, all of those things.
Speaker 3:No, I was eating those like nobody's business for a lot of years For sure.
Speaker 2:So was I dude. I had a conversation with a coach at Texas tech recently and he was my offensive coordinator when I was in college and he was at Texas Tech and we're just catching up and he said, justin, this coach at Texas Tech, the things that they're doing for these players, the way they're tracking them, the way they know where their blood's at, he said the things that you guys did is prehistoric compared to night before the game Everybody's eating pasta, just spiking their insulin through the roof. Just the way that industry, particularly college strength and conditioning, has changed since just when I've been in school so you call that 14, 15 years. He said it is unbelievable, you would not recognize it.
Speaker 3:The programs have changed so much, even when you start getting into this like lebron, jordan thing and dude lebron that, like health and fitness and the understanding had come so far from like when jordan was there, in comparing, comparison to lebron even, and it's like we're continually advancing now, and these athletes now today have so much more advantage because they have the knowledge, as well as the supplements, as well as the peptides, as well as all these things that just didn't really exist then yeah, looking at your wrist, right there you've got something that's tracking all the whopper?
Speaker 3:yeah, I feel, and I got him one because he's making fun of me and blitz. We wear him and we like I struggle with it.
Speaker 2:I've had a whoop got rid of it. I've had an aura ring. Don't like wearing rings.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2:I thought about getting An aura ring and putting it like On one of my toes.
Speaker 1:Does it work? Would it work?
Speaker 2:I don't know that it wouldn't work.
Speaker 1:I know fucking Having a toe ring.
Speaker 2:You could probably Put the whoop on your ankle. To be honest, bro, I get it. Is that a fetish? Is that a fetish? Hey, there's places for everything yeah, I'm gonna see a clip now. Jay waller's in the freaky shit he puts rings on his toes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're at the beach club and they're like cool toe ring bro.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm like winking at him but the data that this thing gives you is for anybody who's serious about their health, and it gives you all the data, your hrv score. It really breaks down your sleep. One of my problems and I've noticed is like my cortisol levels and like I'm waking up every night about three times per hour, right, which is a problem you know. So it's really identified a lot of things with inside my body that I just I geek out on it and I had to get him one because I'm like bro, you're going to love this, like just understanding the data every day and like really understanding is it even breaks down, you know, when you've, when you're over training, and it's like you need to take the day off. You do not need to train today, you've not recovered enough, and so it gives you so much data that it's like it's making it. You know. It's really fun for me to understand that, because I've over trained religiously for years.
Speaker 3:Right, because I just, I just I'm a gym rat, love it.
Speaker 1:That goes back to what you were saying, though the difference with now, modern technology, information that wasn't there on YouTube and various other platforms. I know it's being seen in these colleges, Obviously growing up playing rugby. If you want to think about how archaic US is, we're so behind the weight rooms back there was either something donated or welded. We won the British colleges my team, the weight rooms. Back there was either something donated or welded, and we won the British colleges my team. I know you've done pretty well in Arizona. I don't want to skip off that part too. You've got some bragging rights you need to say about what you won on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but the rugby side of things was so archaic and nothing was data-tracked. It was get in bench press, you can lift the heaviest. Guys were blowing out fucking biceps and just trying to keep up with the boys All different weights, weight classes in a sense. But then the rugby field the weight room was really there to put some timber on your frame, to take the impact. It wasn't really performance based. There was no knowledge saying, okay, do these things to increase your game in this department. Now, what we do with Arsenal Strength we actually go in and we build the college weight rooms. We've just linked up with the XFL. We do all the XFL weight rooms as well now with Arsenal Strength and everything is data tracked. I just went over to the PI and it blew my mind the advanced technology, because again you come from a fight background hitting pads, and it was so like old school. Now if you hit pads there's sensors in pads. They've got sensors for grip strength, velocity, um, it's like the rocky four drago's exactly exactly, but again.
Speaker 1:That that is. That is the new kind of athlete we have here walking in the gym and they want to track their data. And I'll be honest to you, as of probably about a year ago, I probably had no interest in it. But now again, the people I'm around and as I'm getting more interested in that world, the health and benefits from all that stuff, this guy over here turns up with a whoop, yes, whoop, right, a penny night yeah, whoop yeah I was gonna put it.
Speaker 3:I was. I told him I was gonna go buy a dildo and throw it in there and leave it at the front desk, with whether this is with his name on it and a little bow, but uh we don't have time before the podcast welcome to the show.
Speaker 2:When you decide to do it, I'll go ahead and get that toe ring getting back to humble beginnings, my friend.
Speaker 1:So college finish off the college chapter and I want to talk about how you got into your first business endeavors, because, yeah, so skyrocketed.
Speaker 2:So a lot of people today are facing hard economic times. Let's say they're coming into their college or they're just coming into adulthood and they're walking into this hyperinflationary environment where things don't look so great for them. I graduated college in December of 2009. And my entire life I've been told that if I make decent grades, I go play a sport or I get into college somehow and I get through that, I can 1,000% get placed in construction management. And growing up, where I grew up, we say that the only way we knew to make doctor money would have been in boots, because the only people that we saw really making money around us, particularly in our neighborhood, like the guy that had the new pickup truck was a guy that was in construction, and so that was the only consciousness I really had, or else I would have picked something else.
Speaker 2:To be honest, there's better business models. Let's be completely clear about that. So I went into construction management and it was 100% job placement when I came in as a freshman, when I graduated as a senior, there were no jobs. It was just we were just in the middle of everything that happened in 2008. And there's just that opportunity was not there, and at the time it really hurt me. I was coming off a breakup. I was with Miss Louisiana, okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so breakup yeah.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you. What made it tough is that, because there were no jobs, I had to take a job at a very small town about 30 minutes from my college. It just so happened that I was able to get in touch with somebody nearby and I was putting hay and digging around catch basins for a project they were expanding the interstate through this small town for about six miles. But on the way to that job there are three billboards of this woman with her crown on that. I had to drive by and my beat up pickup truck making $15 an hour with a college degree. It was a down moment for me and I think that, even though I was the one that broke up with her you know how it is you break up with a girl and then you go back and forth and you end up getting your little heart broke in the process.
Speaker 2:But it was a down moment At least there was no Instagram at that time, so she could start throwing up the photos and all the games, man, because that has just changed the game from a another level it's just.
Speaker 2:That's a real thing as well, yeah, but but then also with that you have to think your imagination gets you at that time, because it's like if you don't know what she's, you don't know what it was like. It was a rough time and I think most of it had to do also with the fact that I'd felt like I had done everything right. I did exactly what everybody had ever told me to do to be successful and get on the right path and it just so happens, due to how the debt cycle works, I came out at that time. Reflectively, looking back, it was an absolute blessing If I would have gotten that $75,000, $80,000 job that would have quickly got me into 125 in a company truck, in an office, in a big project manager position in Dallas, let's say I would have been life creep would have happened, I would have got caught up in that and I wouldn't have been forced in doing what I really wanted to do, which is start a business. And so, luckily for me, I came out during that time, because I think that if I would have come out, let's say, at a point where the economy was booming, I would have gotten such a good job and I would have got so set up and I probably would have bought a house and I probably would have went a problem, because anybody that starts a business you have this assumption that by the 18th month you're going to figure everything out and you're going to be rolling.
Speaker 2:Well, I often say I made goals at 24 for 30 that I was not yet qualified to make at 24. Those goals that I made at 24 to where I would be by the time I was 30, I didn't have the competencies and understanding to know that those things were a little bit further off than I might have assumed based off the information I didn't have. Or, as the company would grow, I'd run into things that I didn't understand and had to go get those competencies around, and those are not easy things companies around, competencies around and those are not easy things. And so I feel very lucky that I got such an early start, because had I started at 30 I'd still be building it right now, and so for that I like to frame the fact that I graduated when I graduated as a very lucky thing that happened to me, because I really had no choice but to do what I wanted to do anyway. I'd read Rich Dad, poor Dad. My junior year.
Speaker 3:Great book.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it got my attention we were going to play and they had Felix Jones and Darren McFadden and all these guys. So I'm like let me distract myself on this bus, because it was just a bus ride from Monroe to Little Rock and I knew then, but I didn't know how fast I was going to do it, and luckily I was just in a situation where the jobs were scarce, jobs were hard to come by, and so I had to scrape everything up together to get the business started, and I started sooner than I would have ever started otherwise. So I'm very lucky that I had that downtime in my life to get forced into something that I ultimately wanted to do anyway.
Speaker 1:So I'm want to talk about Red Iron right yeah, Red Iron. So how do you go about starting that up? At what age were you and what year was this?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I was 24 when that started. We'll be at 15 years next year. I started off we were doing backyard metal buildings, so originally what happened was, after that job ended in that town called Bastrop, I had to move to Baton Rouge and I was waiting tables at Texas Day, brazil. So I would do metal buildings during the day and then wait tables at night let me just go ahead and say I love Texas Day, brazil it's incredible, isn't it?
Speaker 2:it's incredible sponsors for the show Texas yeah it was actually my first day was one of the shittiest days ever, because it was all still in this time frame right when your heart's still broken. You're like what the fuck is going on in my life? How did I? How did this happen? How did I do everything I was supposed to do and then end up back in my hometown waiting tables Like it was a blow? It was a blow and eventually it got to such a point where I said, no, I'm starting a business.
Speaker 2:So I go to find out how much it costs to start a construction company and get licensed legally. Well, you have to have a $10,000 net worth. There was nowhere to go on that. It couldn't go to your parents. There was no pennies to rub together there. So I'm like okay, I got to get a real job. So they're building this hospital in Baton Rouge called Women's Hospital, and I was going everywhere during the day just giving resumes out all the time and I see this job site and I'm like I know this is not a construction company office, but I'm just going to go try. So I go in the first time and I'm like can I see the boss? And I got my little bullshit resume which basically says nothing, but I put up metal buildings when I was 14.
Speaker 3:You also put some extra stuff in there yeah yeah yeah, fluffed him up a bit.
Speaker 1:I'm really good with people.
Speaker 2:I did my best. I did my best. It was complete horseshit. So I'm in there with my resumes, like I'm a door-to-door salesman, and I go in there the first time and I'm like, can I see the boss and the lady's like, son, this is a $40 million project. I can't just let you see the boss Now, a job site. This is not a corporate office where you go apply. So already what I'm doing is complete bullshit.
Speaker 2:Like it's very forward, let's say, second time, justin, she knows my name. After the second time, third time I go in and I'm talking to her and I don't know why I did it but instead of talking to her about the job, I talked to her about everything but me getting a job, the pictures that she had, like little pictures of her kids on the wall, and so I started talking to her about these things and I started to build like personal rapport with her and out of nowhere she cuts me off in a sentence. She goes you know what? Sit right there, sit down. And I wait, I don't know two or three minutes, and this just grizzled, angry, 55 year old white guy that looks like he's been running a construction project comes in. Are you justin? And I'm like, yes, sir, I'm sitting down in the chair, he's come with me and so click, like just boots clacking through this, because these are like on-site trailers, so it's hollow inside. Just walking down this hallway and he goes and he has this big office in the back and he pops down, he's, and I'm all like check this out check this bullshit out
Speaker 2:and he looks at it and he looks at me and he looks at it, looks at me and he clearly he can see his bullshit he throws it down on the desk. He goes so you mean to tell me that you've come to my 40 million dollar project not once, not twice, but three times, off the street, to interrupt the woman that works for me at the front, so you can see the boss. I'm like yes, sir. And he pauses and he leans back in his chair and looks at me and he goes. I like that shit.
Speaker 2:Motherfucker gave me a jobfucker gave me a job. Bro. He gave me a job and this particular job was paying per diem. And so what I did was I took the per diem and I lived off of it. It was like 25 to $40 a day, I can't remember exactly what the number was. I lived off the per diem and then, when I went to the bank and when I set up my account for the direct deposit, I had her draft, all of my paycheck, my actual paycheck, into another account and it took me about six months but I got that 10 grand. I took that 10 grand, I went and applied for my residential license so I could build houses. And then I moved the 10 grand to another bank account and then I went and applied for my residential license so I could build houses. And then I moved the 10 grand to another bank account and then I went and applied for my commercial and that will be 15 years ago, next March. That's awesome, man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, man, that's bro, I really love what you said about the guy right who gave you the shot, Because I bet you've done that exact same thing.
Speaker 3:You saw some kid come in. He was hungry. You gave him that shot. Yeah, he's gonna. That's paying it forward, and I really appreciate that and when you see for me like I've had that opportunity to be the guy who's paid it back, so it's really cool to hear that yeah, it's a very fulfilling thing and I think the reason it feels so good is because you see a part of you in that young man right and we all need that shot.
Speaker 3:We need their foot in the door and it just takes the the one foot to get in right and kick it down and it's that persistence yeah that gets respected.
Speaker 2:I think the most is like when there's like the kid just won't quit. He's not even scared of me yelling at him, right like he. Like when that moment, even if that guy would have yelled at me and kicked me out forever, a little piece of him would have respected me. You know what I'm saying and I probably would have kept coming back. But it is those things that it allows people. It's the bold that that went in life and it's that's the kid I want to give the opportunity to, the one that just can't go away, won't go like. He has a mission and he's on it because, honestly, he's the one that I'll trust to do his job once he gets there, because I know he's persistent and I know, no matter what comes, he's going to find a way around it. I want problem solvers and I think that's what he wanted in that situation and certainly what I wanted, and he gave me an opportunity and I took it and at 24 being young.
Speaker 1:Obviously you've got very little experience in that world right how hard was it for you to then get on the first peg in the business and get that business moving, and how long did it take?
Speaker 2:It was hard for multiple reasons. Again, the things that they teach you in school are not the things that actually come up so much in the real world. And so in the very beginning we were doing small backyard like 30 by 40s, like sheds. There's this company that's all over the South called Mueller's and they sell these metal building packages where if you want a shed or a man cave in your backyard, they have the engineers, they spit the stuff out, it goes to your house, you put it up. And I was doing like little $5,000 contracts, three man crews, a lot of my tools are getting stolen, there's a lot of drugs, let's face it, like a lot of times nobody, especially people that are going to do projects like that. They can't get on a commercial job for various reasons that have nothing to do with them being a Boy Scout, let's be honest. And so it was in the very beginning. Beginning it was bootstrapping enough business to learn as much as I could about, even though I'd been working on metal bills. That's what got it in my consciousness is my stepfather did metal buildings growing up and we had a house fire that put us in my in his boss's house for a week and I'm like, oh, this guy makes money. I've never been in a neighborhood like like it was in my consciousness then that construction would be a good thing and we did the backyard buildings. But I knew that legitimate money would have had to been in commercial and so that's why I'd gotten the commercial contract in the first place.
Speaker 2:So from there I had to find mentors quickly, because it can take one project and you can get wrecked. In fact I had it happen at 26. I had a job in New Orleans. We did a school project that a guy walked off the job on me and it cost me $25,000 because I had to get my contract supplemented. So if you're a subcontractor and you have a general contractor and you're working for a school that have what's called liquidated damage, and liquidated damage is like $3,000 a day for every day you're late and what ended up happening was when that guy walked off that job. That was the only superintendent I had because we were small, because you're always trying to fluctuate the amount of work with the manpower, so you're always constantly trying to juggle it and if you have a good guy, you got to keep them busy and I only had one and keeping that balance of the work and the talent is always one of the harder parts, especially when schedules get pushed back. They don't pour slab or whatever. Long story short, I lost 25,000. And I had to go work as a project manager for a company for a year.
Speaker 2:What I did during that time is I picked up mentors in the metal building commercial space that started to help me develop all the estimating and all the things I needed to do to really get the bids correct in the first place, get my proposals right, and I'd wake up at three or four in the morning I'd go work out and then I'd go estimate work before my real job started. And I'll never forget I thought I was such a baller. I got $500,000 worth of contracts and I knew that was enough that if I left my job and I hit anywhere close to the margin that I had estimated I'd be fine. So I put in the resignation and took off again. And we definitely have.
Speaker 2:As we have evolved, we've grown into new problems. That's why, always, I'm a big believer in sticking in a business all the way through until you get to scale, because I believe what happens a lot of times is that many people they take a business to a certain point in scaling and if they're successful they might go start something else. But for me I really wanted to get it to where we were building buildings nationally, because then at least I can feel like I've gone through the process of actually scaling something with systems and bonus structures and policies and procedures, safety, quality, production, all these things. And in theory I had it really good on paper and when I was dealing with the guys in the backyard I really wanted to spend time with them. I thought we could be like the Google of metal buildings. I thought we could all get close and I found out quickly that those guys didn't care about those things that those guys would steal from me. They didn't, and nothing wrong with them. They were on their own struggle right. So I got very systems oriented instead and then it took me about five or six years to understand that it's got to be a mixture of the people and the systems, because without the people, without having the hearts of the men, the systems won't work. But what commercial allowed me to do is pay more money, get better types of people in, and we still faced our issues with cash flow. There were many situations where I had to take a second mortgage on the house to make a payroll. I definitely should have went bankrupt at 28.
Speaker 2:I got down a million dollars one time and at this point I was well known in the metal building space. I was the youngest member of the Metal Building Contractors and Erectors Association and I knew I was down a million and I knew that there's a really good chance I was going to have to fold and my whole identity was tied to it. Like I was metal building Dookie Houser, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, like I was like the young one that was like coming up, one day I'm going to run this whole thing and, man, it hurt me. It was my whole identity and I was certain I was going to lose it and I just, for whatever reason, I couldn't fold. I just couldn't push the trigger on doing it. But you were close. Yeah, I was close. I knew the math didn't work.
Speaker 2:I'm like, okay, I'm out of second mortgages and I'm looking at my accounts receivable and I'm looking at next week's payroll and I'm looking at all the credit cards and lines of credit and our work in progress and I'm like I just don't see a way and I went to my main mentor and I talk about this guy a lot. His name's Mike Reynolds. He's systems contractors out of Colorado and he was the previous president and I pulled him aside in San Diego where, like everybody's, drinking whiskey and having fun, I'm like, hey, mike, man, listen, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna. I'm gonna go bankrupt and I'll never forget. He looked at me and he says son, if you don't think that you're gonna go bankrupt every four years, you ain't doing shit anyway. He slaps me on the shoulder, walks by me and as he's walking away, he goes I'll see you at the bar. And I'm standing there like I thought that, like he was gonna tell me something impactful and I had basically two things happened to me in that moment.
Speaker 2:Number one all of the guilt and shame and anger towards myself went away. And then number two is I'm a part of the club.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying yeah, and I found out later on. In that event, because it was something that was on my mind I was asking a few people. I found out that a lot of my mentors one of them went bankrupt four times in the steel business. And when I say he is doing well, multimillionaire, and I guess what I, the point I make is that in that moment, when he told me what he told me, I was expecting something else. He gave me the exact opposite thing and it just set me free in a way that I can't really even explain. It was the best tough love that I've ever received in my life. And it wasn't even my father, it was a guy that just he had been there. He understood what I was saying to him. But I just think somewhere he knew that was the right answer. And it's saddle up cowboy, like it's not the first time and it's not the last time. And I try to remember that in the aspect of knowing that I'll probably face that again someday in some business, somewhere, on some real estate property. But I'll always have that moment in my back pocket that I saw it differently and that's why I always say you can tell the size of a man by the size of his problems, because we're all going to have problems in life. Some people's problem is they can't pay their light bill. My particular problem is that I was owed a million bucks and I didn't see it coming fast enough to save me, and so I was able to really take that energy and go further than I actually even had planned to when I was making my goals at 24.
Speaker 2:And today, man, I got guys from California to New York working. Right now we're all 50 states in the Caribbean. We hang still everywhere, and I'm not saying it's sunshine and rainbows at all. I have guys that they. I had an Airbnb get burned down last year. Guy smoking a cigarette in the wrong state Thinks it's still Louisiana, it's moist outside, it's not, it's not, it's dry. Burn half of an Airbnb. Things happen still right. But it was the struggles of that particular business that really helped me develop who I am as a person. I remember being like God. Why did I pick this business? I could have put this energy, this life energy and all this ambition into anything else, and that's how I felt, whether it was true or not, and I would have been substantially more successful faster what I think it would have cost me is the things that I got to develop along the way, not just around skill sets of understanding construction accounting and how to do a cost-based accounting, and all these different things you have to learn, you need to lose sometimes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, to really lose a lot. It was a character thing we speak about that. You have to feel what that's like to lose.
Speaker 3:So that you never get back there and fix those things, and that's just what makes you better and in the moment when we're, in those moments're asking god why are you doing this?
Speaker 2:why is this happening? And it's because he's trying to teach you that lesson to get better, right, and so we all need those losses to become better. And like you're praying and you're like screaming at him, I'm doing everything I can do like why right? And people ask me why I waited so long to get on youtube. I get asked that quite a bit and I used to not understand it. I really didn't because I wanted to.
Speaker 2:Around 26, 27 that's what that's when I was watching like the Brandon Carters and I started to get a grip on who Grant Cardone was. So I started studying real estate more and I'm like that's a good place to be. That's a place that I would really enjoy if I could get to a place where I could have the fulfillment of giving back and teaching people it. Obviously it comes with a lot of success. It comes with certain social statuses that can really change your life and as badly as I wanted to, I knew that I would not be able to do it until I had become a liquid multimillionaire, because I would have felt the hypocrisy in it and it really hurt me because I was trying so hard to get there and I knew I was giving my full effort and I still couldn't achieve it on time. And now the way I understand it and I think this probably hit me about two years ago, like a little bit after I started was I would not have done as well as I've done online if it had not been for the fact that I waited. Because what happened to me is that I came into the space and I started meeting these individuals in person that had these big platforms and I just started the first time I went on Fresh and Fit. The first time I did Rolo and a lot of these other people that gave me these opportunities in the beginning, which I'll forever be grateful for came from the fact that they realized that I'd built a real business in the real world and I didn't start online, and it gave me this respect from them that I probably would have not have gotten otherwise, or at least not in that way from them, that I probably would have not have gotten otherwise, or at least not in that way. And that's when I really started to understand that I did do the right thing, even though it tortured me. And so I am glad that I waited, because I feel like if I had not waited, I would not have been able to speak from a place of a man that had been scarred, that had gone through these things. And another reason I'm really glad that I'm weighted is because I believe that a lot of people, if they start the right business model and that business model clicks.
Speaker 2:If I were to pick something like, let's say, smm, a marketing, let's say and I would have not knocked it out of the park because then I'd have reoccurring customers and all these things I might have been under the impression that I was a better businessman than I was. And so, going through those experiences, I learned that the most dangerous thing is the thing that you don't know about, the thing that you can't see, like the competency that you don't know that you need next. And so now, after being hit by so many things in that business, thinking that I was going to kill it and would run into these punches that I would take, now I still have it in the back of my mind, no matter what I do, even today, that, hey, there is something there that you might not be able to see. Do not get too arrogant. It's like this governor on me, cause I've gone through it.
Speaker 2:Not that I don't want to keep ascending, I do, but it gave me. I guess it's like getting punched in the mouth. We'll stop you from starting fights Kind of tight. We talk. Yeah, we talk. We talk about there's a lot of of tough guy talk on the internet. Right, bro, I've been in real fights.
Speaker 3:Like, even when you win, it's not fun. No, and I think about it.
Speaker 2:There's nothing glorious about it? Yeah, no, because you still carry, even when you win, you carry the weight. You hurt somebody badly.
Speaker 1:Whatever the action is, and your hand is still busted.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you're still busted off from it.
Speaker 3:Maybe getting in trouble or other right.
Speaker 2:But it takes these type of situations to build and develop the character that you have. It's like I heard him say that you're into like fighting. You want to find some humble people, Go to a jiu-jitsu or a fight gym Big time, Everybody knows.
Speaker 3:It's real Nobody's in there trying to puff up or anything like that.
Speaker 2:That's how you get beat up. Or my boy Eric would say you get greenlit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, you got to be humble. When you go in there and you have to, again like these, I wouldn't call them failures, I would call them learning, like learning curves. Right, you need those things to grow forward and to push yourself. And again, like you get knocked down, you got to get back up and a lot of people will just quit. But the guys who just keep getting back up and you can't stop them, they keep showing up at your office those are the guys who push forward and that's what you have to do in life and you have to make those mistakes to become the better man that you are. And you don't realize those things at the time. You might think you're failing, but if you can just keep, that will and no one can stop you and you keep going, you'll get there.
Speaker 2:I would argue that muscle to get up and go again and again is probably, in my opinion, substantially more important than talent.
Speaker 3:I agree, I agree, that beats talent all the time. You know, it's like funny, like the name is J-Rock, right, and I got that from boxing and Rocky and all these things right. And the thing about Rocky that always rang so true is in the very first one Rocky's getting beat up. It's in the final round, right, and he gets knocked down. He's been knocked down already ten times and finally Apollo's kind of he's got his hands up and Rocky's struggling to get up and he finally makes his way up and he gives him the come on an Apollo's face, like this guy, Like you just can't keep this guy down, and it's hard to beat someone that you just can't stop yeah and sometimes you have to make life look at you like that Right.
Speaker 2:Life's got to be like fuck again and I think that if you can build that muscle, there's really nothing you can't do especially superpower it really truly is.
Speaker 2:And one thing that I always tell people is that I think it's a grave mistake to fail in a business or to fail at something and then, instead of getting up and starting that business again, to go to something else, because it's much like switching, like you say. You take the jab, you take the cross, slip the jab, dodge the cross, catch the hook, you get knocked down. But then if you go into another industry now, you're fighting a southpaw right.
Speaker 2:You're going to take all those beginners licks again. And so one thing, the one thing that I did. So number one, I didn't quit. But the real thing is I stayed in the same. I made a commitment to myself that I will stay in this business until I succeed, and maybe I could have picked a better business, but retrospectively it didn't matter, because I was able to see that out to scale and obviously I've done very well for myself doing it, and it's allowed me to buy all the real estate I own, it's allowed me to be able to travel and do these podcasts now.
Speaker 2:And all of that really comes from the base of I didn't quit that business.
Speaker 2:I didn't go do something else. I got up again and again, no matter how far down I was, and that business was the one that really paid me and got me my, my, my kickstart. And so for anybody that's ever out there thinking about the blows that they're taking in a business, as long as the business model can get you there, I believe, no matter how many times you fail, get up and go do that exact business again, because you still don't have to go learn a completely different industry. You don't need a new book of business. You don't need the new contacts, you don't need to know the vendors, you don't need to understand the industry again, and that will save you more time than anything else. You can become a millionaire doing almost anything. Sticking to something long enough to really understand the game, where you get to the point where it almost becomes second nature. Running that business or doing that thing is truly the thing that I think is going to help you expedite how fast you can get to where you want to go, even if you fail.
Speaker 1:I was working at the timelines. You've gone through two housing crashes in your time of owning businesses.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know if they're housing. So 2008 would have been a housing crash and we'll see recessions.
Speaker 3:I wouldn't say we've gone through a housing crash a second time since then okay, we got some stuff in our future here that, yeah, we do, we do, yeah, we do.
Speaker 2:But I'd argue that it will not be a housing crash, not in the way that it was in 2008.
Speaker 2:2008 was sub-prime mortgages okay, people were unqualified. Sub-prob mortgages Okay, people were unqualified to get these mortgages. They couldn't pay them. We're actually in a really interesting situation now because of COVID. So they dropped the interest rates very low. So a lot of people refinanced their house. So the debt that they have on their house is so good that they're not really going to have an. It's not their mortgage that's going to hurt them. It's the CPI things, the cost of goods sold, it's the gas, it's the car, it's all of these other things. Now, what's yes? So they're sitting.
Speaker 2:So I refinanced a few of my my single family homes at the time when that happened to two, at the time when that happened to 2% interest rates like 2.6%, and many people did this, and what that's doing is that's basically making people do remodels in their house or adding, if that's what they want to do.
Speaker 2:But I don't find that we're in a position that people are going to go default on their mortgages because of the mortgage itself, which is the real reason for 2008.
Speaker 2:Right now, we're in this situation where we're printing all this money, inflation is going through the roof, people that are having normal jobs that used to be able to buy their first home. They're not able to. So I think what's going on in this situation is much less going to be a housing crash, but more of an inflationary issue that is just going to really hurt people in regards to the job that they have no longer covers the lifestyle that they need to have a family, have their first home, get married, do all the things that maybe we could have done in our earlier career. I think that's the part that's really hurting people the most. What that's going to look like, I'm not sure. People keep saying the interest rates are going to drop, but I don't see how, with inflation continuing to rise, the Fed pulls the lever based off of heating and cooling the market. If the market continues to stay hot and continues to do this, there's not a lot of room to pull that lever down.
Speaker 2:It's an election year, tough election year I'm going to tell you I think this year is going to be one of the most impactful years the world ever sees. It's not just America, I think 40% of countries are like important elections are happening this year, very much so, and we're, in this very interesting on the verge of war three, sending a bunch of money to Ukraine. We're having these issues with sanctions, which changes things around oil and our currency, and then you have BRICS Right.
Speaker 3:For the first time, right, yeah, yeah, our currency and then you have bricks.
Speaker 2:I don't think the first time, right, yeah, yeah. And that's what kind of angers me about people that, like, have ukraine flags on their houses. First of all, not only are you a dickhead and ignorant, you're ignorant. And the reason is like we print 60 billion dollars so it cannot actually go to ukraine, but go to lockheed martin. So all of the politicians that own stocks in these companies that ship off one of our largest GDPs as weapons, right, they get richer, the middle class gets poorer.
Speaker 2:The agenda, especially on the liberal side, says Ukraine, oh, you mean, so all those young men can die, so that small country can get its ass absolutely handed to it by Russia, and they'll make it sound like they're not. But let's face it, russia could just go in there and wipe them at any moment, but all their young men are getting wrecked, yeah. And then the women are leaving and getting out, and then you, with your Ukraine flag on your house, don't understand that your job at Starbucks and the money that you make at Starbucks your $7 to $10 an hour, whatever that is now has a substantially smaller spending power than it did before we started printing money and sending it to Ukraine so boys could die.
Speaker 3:And even when you like. Why do you have a Ukraine flag hanging outside and not an American flag? A thousand percent, and that's because there's been this whole anti-American thing that has happened when we grew up, like in the 80s, right Like it was super American. That's right, and you know why.
Speaker 2:We had a common enemy. It was like Russia, the Rocky story. America was together. In a lot of ways it was a Rocky story. A lot of ways it was, and now China, or whomever that wants to see us fail, can just sit back and we can divide the races, we can divide the genders and rot from the inside out, and you're dividing the socioeconomic classes as well, and that's where the real pain is. It's like the American dream to take college out of it, where somebody can get up, go work a job, be the man of the house, support a family that he loves, take care of his children, be the hero of his own home and be the leader. That's pretty well out the window as of right now, and so I think that it's very interesting that we're in a time where there are no American flags on the houses. We are still the greatest superpower that ever was. It is simply up to America to come together and not rot from the inside out.
Speaker 3:All of us need to stop this division, because it's like there's so many things being thrown at us to divide us, to take our eyes off what is really happening. And why is all this money going out of our country and not staying in our country to fix all these problems? And I'm also a combat veteran. You're cutting veteran benefits for illegal immigrants that are coming into this country, when these guys are killing themselves every 22 minutes. Right, and we sent them to war, but that we didn't find any weapons of mass destruction, right? So we're in all these things where, like, the money needs to stay here and rebuild this country now, and all these things that we're seeing in this election year. As we all know, this is a really important election. We need people to just wake up a bit. Stop stop putting the american flag down.
Speaker 3:This is the greatest country in the world it still is remember what it took for us to get here and we're still an early country, right. So it's remember what it took for us to get here and remember the freedoms and and appreciate what we do have here, because you can go anywhere else and anybody can say like I'll move, I'm gonna move out of the us, I don't want to be here, like go ahead, dude. Yeah, go try it somewhere else. It's see what you got there, see what kind of opportunities you have there I think I'm a good spokesperson for that.
Speaker 1:Indeed, I came here and I know what it took for me to get here. It took I had to go through loops to get my legal immigration. I didn't come here. I was not once illegal over here at any point in time. I came here on certain visas travel visa first at 19 years old I came here first week I was in the United States. I went to Santa Monica and I'd already built up my moving company.
Speaker 1:I won at the time two of the three Young Businessman of the Year awards and I gave it up because I seen that this country was that glass half full Now. I didn't give up on my business. I had the intention of opening up over here but I went into another business.
Speaker 2:That's a different dream, though.
Speaker 1:But when I came over here I seen the glass half full and I slept on that sofa for a year and a half, chased the dream had built up the life in wales that nobody believed in me. And then I was on this peg again, believing in myself, looking in the mirror every single day, having my days where I was like, why am I doing this? I know why I'm doing this. Stick on it, stick on it, hitting the face, hitting in the face. Hit in the face, hit in the face. Small little opportunity Home then, or not. Nothing big, but enough for me to keep me in the groove.
Speaker 1:Money was depreciating fast and I had that call then from Joe Weider's office basically saying that they were going to give me it was like $1,800, $2,000 contract. Changed my life at the time. But I know my life at the time. But I know the, as I mentioned, the loopholes. I was married and had two kids and I just got my green card status after 15 years and millions of dollars in taxes. When I see this incredible country and I still think it's the best country in the world and I'm welsh, it's kept this accent strong my my home when I come from that was a new jersey, think it's the best country in the world, and I'm Welsh. It's kept this accent strong my home where I come from.
Speaker 1:I thought that was a New Jersey accent.
Speaker 3:I'm learning new things every day about it. I've got a brand, bro.
Speaker 2:I've got a brand. Okay, I'm doubling down.
Speaker 1:I know my home, where I was born, but this is where I live and I've been able to create, kept me in the game because, had I not failed in my earlier part of my life? Even this thing right, I can mention this. The last time I was in a sling and in a cast. I was 15 years old and I was being. I got the news that I was half a centimeter away from having my arm amputated during that operation. So I sat there during the summer holidays manifesting what I wanted to do next when I got out of this sling, and it was crazy Back flips, walking handstands. You've heard some of these stories, as have you. Every thought I was crazy, but who fucking done it Me? Because, as you, every thought I was crazy, but who fucking done it me? Because, as you mentioned, this is such a powerful tool that we're all blessed in this room to have and thankfully, that has carried me throughout my whole life to get where I am right now, as it has with you guys.
Speaker 2:All right how would you say that watching content or taking courses or going to events or reading books helped you on your path? Did it help motivate you to keep you aligned to what you wanted?
Speaker 1:So growing up I had horrible attention span in lessons. The area I come from again, they do the best. The teachers actually some of the teachers were there from the old cane days when I was there. So these guys had tempers but unfortunately they couldn't use the cane anymore. Very strict Any kid who wasn't paying attention was sent to the back of the class or the front. That was me. I was always looking out the window looking at what was going on in the PE department outside in the fields.
Speaker 1:So I never got to truly have that education until I left. I was in college. College changed the game for me again. The blueprint we talked about didn't know it was anything else outside of that and I realized that education and knowledge is power. I started surrounding myself with certain people and when I got to the US, same thing again. Now I've retired I've surrounded myself with different people of substance, knowledge, gratitude, humility, all of above People I want to emulate and again rub off on me in the right ways. So him and I are friends.
Speaker 1:But it wasn't really again until I came to the US that I started being around these certain mentors that were speaking about getting knowledge from X Y, z Didn't have that in Wales. Nobody even told me about certain mentors that talk was speaking about getting knowledge from. Xyz didn't have that in wales. Nobody even told me about certain books that you guys may have read in school or college. So I feel like I lost out on a big chapter of knowledge. And even when I started my first business, just like you, I threw myself into the mix. I was like I'm gonna learn as I go along. I had skills that other people of 19 year olds at that age didn't have, and that was a little bit of charisma, a little cheeky charm, a little bit of humor. You're there and that was some muscles too.
Speaker 3:I had a little muscle too.
Speaker 1:I'm not gonna lie, I did win the universe when I was 20, but it was the guy who who they answered the door to was also the guy who they answered the door to was also the guy that physically moved their property, and I think it was something reassuring that, yes, I was the boss, but I was also with my crew and I led from the front. But that knowledge I gained on site, the textbook knowledge and the mentorships I gained way later on in life and that's actually what I was asking you about.
Speaker 2:I don't feel like I learned anything, particularly in in school. It was a hunger to understand how to actually get what I was trying to get done once I had started the business or really, I'd have to say that my education started. It was all after school. It was like I don't know how to do this.
Speaker 2:I have to go find ways to learn from somebody that has done this. I told somebody on a podcast the other day I easy have seven figures in me buying coaching from people or books or events or all of the. I spent loads and loads of money with E-Myth. After I read E-Myth, I had a personal E-Myth consultant for two years, just getting everything in place. That, to be quite fair, wasn't in school for me to learn anyway, and because I was the same way, I was labeled 504 in america. That basically means you have add, and I don't even think that I had add and not neither I don't think you did either. I don't think you had a detention problem. I just don't think you were interested in the subject. I fucking.
Speaker 3:That was exactly the same way. Yeah, I had a tough time in school and I actually felt stupid.
Speaker 1:That's it. I was called stupid.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I felt stupid, I would stay after class. That was that dude who had to do all the extra work and it made me feel like I'm just not as smart as the rest of these kids, which gave me a little bit of a complex and as I got out of school and realized that you have to be curious and you have to learn some of your own things because really you don't really utilize any of this stuff you learn, in public school and the timing is not applicable to your life.
Speaker 2:No, so you're not interested in it at all, and they're not preparing you to balance your checkbook.
Speaker 3:They're not preparing you for any of the real things that you're going to be tackling in life as well, right? So, yeah, I think that mentors, as you said, is so important, right, like they can help you avoid that pitfall, right, that we all might step in. Right, and having those mentors around to give you those inside pieces and keep you on the right path is so important. I always tell young guys that, right Like you got to find mentors. And for me, I was very lucky in my professional career in food and beverage hospitality nightlife. I've had Jason Strauss, right, he's the top nightlife impresario in the world, the Tao Group's largest nightlife company in the world. He's been one of my best friends for a long time and I'm lucky to have him in my life to look at those contracts, right, because there's so many little things where guys can get you in a contract or different pieces that he's helped me avoid some of those mistakes that I would have made and I've made a lot of my own mistakes anyway and there's times where he's like you.
Speaker 3:don't listen to me, rock, because there's times where I'm like I hear you, but I'm going to do it this way because this is what I feel in my heart.
Speaker 3:So I am still true to myself in a lot of ways and I'll take risks that I feel are necessary, but there are a lot of things those mentors can really save you from and really put you on the path. So it's definitely a thing that I plan on mentoring some young guys as I continue to grow and that mentorship, though that is a nice segue into something that you're doing right now with school.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we just started a new school group about a month ago and we're taking this group of people and helping them create that vision that they want for their life, and we're doing in a very systematic way. I have this relationship with myself. I call the rocking chair test, where I was at an event I must have been late 20s and they had you. You could either write a eulogy about what they would say about you at your funeral, so you had to close your eyes and imagine. Close your eyes. Imagine that everybody you love and care for is in a room and you're there in the casket.
Speaker 3:What will the?
Speaker 2:person writing your eulogy say about you, but then you have to write it. It's dark.
Speaker 1:It's a dark exercise.
Speaker 2:I'm actually going to put it in. Install it's a dark exercise. I'm actually gonna put it in, install it next week into the group. But then, once you have that vision of let's call it the man you want to become, from there I use the man that I want to become as my north star. So I chose to wrote to my my grandfather, instead of write it what they'd say about me.
Speaker 2:But since then I've changed it to writing to the oldest version of myself that can no longer live my life. I'm sitting in a rocking chair. I can't go out and do the things I used to do, and now I work for him and I communicate to him. So when I'm making a decision or I'm scared, or there's a big real estate property they'll say it's bigger than one I've ever bought and there's anything, anything that is stopping me or slowing me down. I literally have this ongoing conversation with the older version of me and I keep selfie videos and I keep them all along my path in my phone so I can go back and watch where I was over the course of time. But it helps me make decisions and it helps me move forward with a little less fear, because I'm retrospectively looking back at myself now and it just allows me to put it all in perspective in a way, and then also, I just want that old man to be proud of me, and so the things that we're doing in school, that we're actually going to in fact install next week, is like creating what that vision looks like and then working back to what it's going to take along the path, the things that you have to do on a daily, weekly, monthly basis in order to see that vision come to life. You were talking about vision. I truly believe if you can see it clear enough, you can make it become a reality. It will happen over time. So we're doing that, and along with that, I'm actually coming out with a real estate course. It's a little bit different than what you would commonly get in an online course, so not only are we going to teach the course all the different ways that you can make money, let's say, based off of where your career is, the capital you have fast money, medium money, long-term money but also where those things make sense in the debt cycle.
Speaker 2:A lot of people got hurt in 2008 because they were sitting on a bunch of houses that could not get sold. Even now, when I see people building houses right now, I'm like who's buying these houses at 7.5% interest rate? What's on the other side of this construction schedule for you? Did you think about the debt cycle and where we are? Like I'm asking these questions and maybe they know something? I don't. But when I see people building and I just wonder who is the buyer at the end, and so it's like these types of things that we're going to be very indepthly teaching people in the real estate course.
Speaker 2:We're going to call it allies, something a guy named Chris Rood is going to do. But not only are we going to do that, but for the students that join and they run into a deal that they either can't tackle themselves or they can't fund, we're actually going to partner with them on the deal. So not only are you going to come in and we're going to show you how and then interactively talk to you about, let's say, the underwriting process or what you're dealing with a buyer or seller, or structuring a deal to make it actually work. Particularly in this type of market, with the bank debt being so high, you have to get creative sometimes on the terms or you go owner, finance, io, all these different things you can do but if there's a situation where it makes sense to partner with the student, we're going to take that step and step in and help them get the deal through, which I think is something that is completely different than what's been offered thus far when it comes to just teaching a course.
Speaker 2:Chris my partner on this he's got 19 trailer parks himself. He's been in the business for a long time and all of the whether it's flipping, wholesaling, building, developing big apartment buildings and big trailer parks like the ones I own, raising money, whatever that looks like we're going to be there with them in the trenches and even doing deals. So I'm looking forward not only to seeing people make money that go through the course that we're building together, but also hope to see them at the closing table. So I'm excited about it, man. I really think it's going to be a fulfilling thing to do.
Speaker 3:It sounds amazing to think from this group of men and women, right like you, see their growth process as you're really building them at the same time. I think it's really special yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm excited about it, man.
Speaker 2:It's like I had a call with the people that are gonna help us with the marketing and the sales today and my main thing is like I don't want any money that I don't feel like didn't come from us really helping somebody.
Speaker 2:Like I want you to poke holes in every part of the course. I want you to poke holes in every part of the program, everything you like, because you know how it is. Man, you don't want to make money from something and not feel like you actually gave somebody that value. And like people are out here saying that maybe Baller Buster shouldn't I actually support Baller Busters in a way. I know they're not online right now and maybe they're attacking people I know and I like, and I'm not saying that I like that, but what I am saying is that in a lot of ways, especially in 2024, I'm saying is that in a lot of ways, especially in 2024, you can take a course, be 20 years old, regurgitate that course and make a lot of money, and then you can turn around and sell CEO university and you can also shut the fuck up.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Like you, don't have hair on your ball, son, I know.
Speaker 3:Like. You got all these young guys snake oil salesmen. What have you accomplished?
Speaker 1:Life coaches. Who are you? You teaching 20 year old life coaches?
Speaker 2:yeah, and you see it, and I think it's these scars that you get, that when you do go out to help somebody, it that's the number one thing that I can think about. That's. All I can think about right now is like, how do we make it work? How does how is it truly valuable to them in a way that will change their life? Because I heard a guy say this and he's so right about it. His name's Keith Cuttingham. He, yeah, keith Cuttingham does a lot of stuff with Tony Robbins. Actually, nobody comes to see Keith. Right, I did, because the only Tony Robbins events I've ever been to had Keith Cutunningham. Most people go to Tony's events so they can jump up and down and shit and have a party. It's like church camp. No disrespect to Tony, complete G Love it. Keith Cunningham is boring, but he's so good. And what he says about people with courses he says you know what hay is after the horse puts it in his mouth when it comes out of his ass? It's shit.
Speaker 2:And that my friend is a course that, my friend, is a course that was regurgitated by a 20 year old that rented a Lamborghini and is telling you how to live your life. I have no disrespect for those young guys that are hustling I really do. I think the ones I like the most, though, are the ones that do interviews and give their value.
Speaker 2:Through talking to people that have done it, I can respect and appreciate those guys because they see the opportunity in the industry, but they know they've not built a business yet and so, instead of putting a front up as if they did, they simply go find value and bring it to people and they monetize it that way.
Speaker 2:And I think that every generation has a new set of problems that come with a new set of opportunities, and there is a gold rush to social media and I understand that and I understand that as a young man, you see this opportunity to grow a platform and I understand why they take it. And if they take it the right way and go about it the right way, I think they'll be very happy with how they went about it. But I think there's some of them that could regret it in the future if they end up taking a lot of money and realize they didn't help anybody. I think that would be an issue, and I think anybody that's gone through a real business would have that as a number one alarm going off in their head is to make sure that this value is real, and so I think that's what's most important to us right now is making sure we we nail it in every way.
Speaker 1:And where can people find this information to join your group.
Speaker 2:The best way to get in touch would be through Instagram. Justinwinwaller7 on Instagram. Yeah, yeah. For school yeah, for school. And then also you could always message us at JustinWinWallercom. Okay, we have people there as well.
Speaker 1:And this is going live when.
Speaker 2:So the real estate course will be out in a couple of weeks. Okay, school has already started. We've slowed down promotion on it just to make sure we have everything in place. We were doing a lot of member surveys and things like that, like really digging into the things they want to see. I learned I tried to do a fitness app one time in my 20s, just for a little blip for a year, and one thing I learned about product development is you can always guess what the feature is that people are going to use, but you're way better off just putting it in their hands and finding out what it is that they use, and so I'm taking that approach to it. So we opened it up. Way more people joined than I thought they would, and so we've slowed down on the promotion a little bit and we're like building these things out for them and we'll lay that out next week. Everything that we were talking about before, yeah changing gears a little bit.
Speaker 1:Didn't you just get back from romania? I was, yeah, I was in romania how was your trip to see the tits?
Speaker 2:it was great, man. It's always good. It's always good. It's always a good time, man. I just show up. I don't even tell them I'm coming really oh, yeah, yeah and's like there's no change. Yeah, they don't care. In fact, they tell me. Don't even tell me, just come. Yeah, tristan FaceTimed me. Yeah, tristan FaceTimed me yesterday. He was on a boat with a couple of what you might call stunning young women. And he's like where are you at, cowboy? And I'm like be right there, yeah, and I'm like be right there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, anytime I go across the pond man, I go see them, because at that point I'm too close to not go see them. So I went and saw them. We hung out, had some very intense games of Uno, high stakes, uno Street rules, and I flew back and I dropped off in Miami for about a week.
Speaker 1:And then I've been here doing podcasts ever since. Yeah, because you're in Vegas doing a podcast tour right now. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2:I've done six or seven in the last few days. Wow, yeah.
Speaker 1:This is my last one that I'm calling a quick. This is the last one. This is the last one. Yeah, yeah, we're trying to keep it chill.
Speaker 2:Yeah mostly it's because text is. Flex is a horrible text messenger, hey mate.
Speaker 3:He'll always get back, though At some point he'll always come back. No, he's gold, he's gold, he's always coming back. My man I'll give you an air punch.
Speaker 1:You got to give a shit. I am notorious for looking at a text at the wrong time. Whether I'm on a Zoom call or Google Meet, I look at the text with full intention of getting back. I've learned, though. I've learned to unread the text Can you do that to a text now.
Speaker 2:Yes, you can unread the text I learned.
Speaker 3:You'll definitely get an apology from him as you get the text back as well. Oh bro, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2:You know it's funny, I don't even sweat it.
Speaker 1:I don't either, Bro. People sweat too many small things, man.
Speaker 1:I think it's the respect thing, right and morals, integrity. It's all in this room. It's all in this room, no matter where we are at right now. I've never forgot the please and thank yous and the apologies when it's needed. And I think a lot of people, when they get to a certain status, they lose that. It's because the novelty of them being them don't have to say sorry or make the not the excuse. Again, if I missed a text, I should say fucking sorry, I've just seen this or I missed whatever else. I feel like it's in my dna to say that right. So I feel like sometimes I do sweat the small stuff a little bit too much, because I think the small stuff, that's what matters is that's what matters.
Speaker 2:That's what matters and that's when we talk about. Every generation has a new set of opportunities, a new set of problems. We're at this place where you can almost touch anybody in the world. It may be just one person instead of six, but this generation didn't have an advantage that I believe that we had, which is a lot more of networking and interaction and building trust in person.
Speaker 3:Human, yeah, human interaction. Everybody's so online. Now we had to go out. We couldn't just find a girl on Instagram and DM her.
Speaker 1:We had to go out.
Speaker 2:I tell people all the time I said you think you got it rough. I had to get off the school bus, drop my backpack in the house and find the nearest trampoline to kiss these hoes in the backyard.
Speaker 3:You don't know shit. I'm like I'm walking around the mall with a notepad in my pocket getting phone numbers. You know what I mean Exactly.
Speaker 1:I'm in a nightclub talking to chicks and people think I'm fucking hammered.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this guy's fucking too drunk yeah.
Speaker 1:Welcome to my American experience.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:My British one's a little bit better. But yeah, wheelchairs was a completely different game for me when I came to the United States. The accent did help.
Speaker 3:It does help right.
Speaker 1:But in nightclubs not so much, because they couldn't hear you Fucking, can you? I'm in the year and they're asking me what's your name? I'm like Flax, what's your name? What, brett, don't talk to chicks inside nightclubs, but nonetheless, in wrapping up this episode One minute or one hour and 20 minutes, cool, cool we spoke a little bit about everything. Obviously, we spoke about your upbringing, we spoke about businesses. Is there anything that you wanted to ask? I've got a couple more things and then we can wrap it up, are you okay?
Speaker 3:I've been enjoying the chat man I want to check out the course, too.
Speaker 3:It's really interesting and I love what you're doing there. You're improving people's lives. You're changing people's lives in a positive way, and I respect that. You're taking what you learned and all your again. You're mentoring this young generation in these classes and, as well as giving them a first step in opening that door for them Just like we were talking about with this other guy, this gentleman at the construction site in a different way and actually in a more constructive way to get them to that next step, it's like an evolutionary mentorship, right?
Speaker 2:yeah I'm really excited about it, yeah, so hey, have you seen the pin the?
Speaker 3:tie. Oh yes, indeed, indeed, stitch life that's right.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna point that out real quick. Yeah, we gotta point, didn't even know folks, I didn't know guys, I didn't know, you didn't know at all. I saw this tie pin. I'm like I'm buying that yeah, I'm probably gonna go back and get.
Speaker 2:I didn't know you didn't know at all. I saw this tie pin. I'm like I'm buying that. Yeah, I'm probably gonna go back and get.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna send you a few. I'm gonna send you some stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I need some, so I like to match my watches and my cuff links to to a tie pin well, the details on a suit is what makes the man right those little pieces on a suit it is, it's always the smallest things we're gonna talk about that growing up with holes in your pants and kicking rocks and trying to make ends meet when you did get that first suit. Just talk about the mental change, because we've spoken about it, but I want the fans to listen to that suit, as this is your world.
Speaker 2:For me it's almost like when Superman puts on his cape yeah, everybody has. Whatever the outfit is is. It doesn't have to be a suit, but I think there's something psychological about putting a suit on and going into that mode that you go into and and whatever that is for you. It could be a hoodie or whatever workout gear like whatever that thing is. I think you create an identity next to it and it doesn't have to be about how flashy you are. Obviously you want to do your best, but for me it's very internal with putting that suit on and then going it's, it's this identity thing.
Speaker 2:Now getting my first one. It was great experience, but I was so new to it when I got my first custom suit that I was still learning what's the piping, what's this? And then putting it all together. But then when you see it come together and then you start to pair that with an action in some way, like podcasts, going to a real estate closing, having a certain kind of Zoom meeting, and you're put together in this certain way that represents where you're trying to go and what you're trying to be. You're building that identity. I think that's the powerful part of it. I always say there's a man in a blue suit and there is a man in a blue suit. It's the man that makes the suit scream 100%.
Speaker 2:Not the suit 100%.
Speaker 3:The man makes the suit and man, that makes the suit scream 100, not the suit 100, the man makes the suit. And there is a thing about it that when you have that suit that fits you just right, there's a confidence about it when you walk into a room. And I know for me too, when I was a kid, my dad, like he, was always wearing suits and I was like, okay, businessmen, real businessmen wear suits. Yeah, and as I got older and I was able to get into the business and be a part of those moments right, be a part of the moment for that young man getting his first suit going after life, like it's part of an evolution as a man, it is. And then there's also the times when my buddies are getting married or there's something, a special occasion of this kind of, and we're in there, we're having a glass of scotch and we're going through this whole manly type process that I just love it's special.
Speaker 2:It's a really good thing.
Speaker 3:It's cool to see the 4X there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm glad I'm repping it actually. Yeah, it was Bros from the start. What? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And he had no clue.
Speaker 2:No, I truly didn't. I really truly didn't. I thought at first he did a little something wrong. He didn't set me off.
Speaker 1:no, I would probably lie, but in this case I am not lying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I have no idea.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's awesome.
Speaker 1:But I will say this the flip when you put when you go back to Louisiana, you're on job site, you're in the jeans, you're in the suit and there's a different person on the job site, but there's not a different person in how you interact or anything like that, because I've seen a video of him. We were just probably just talking, maybe on Instagram talking maybe training and stuff like that, whatever a couple of traded messages but there was a post that he'd done where you paid your dad's house and that hit me hard because I knew a little bit of the backstory then and I was like, wow, one thing and.
Speaker 1:And what an impacting thing for, what an impacting moment for you and your dad going through what you both did when you were young yeah, I would say one of the best days of my life.
Speaker 2:What I love so much about being able to do that is that, no matter what happens to me ever, I could lose it all tomorrow.
Speaker 2:I still have that, no matter what, because the money's gone, how's pay for it's done right. So I'll always have that in my heart, that I got that done, and I think a lot of young men would like to do something like that. And for me he tells me thank you. All I can think about is that I got to do it. How lucky I feel to have been able to go to the bank, stroke that check he didn't know about it and to hand him that title and watch that weight come off of him. Dude, I don't think I can even put into words like what it would. It mean that was my day. I would say even maybe more than it was his day. You know I'm saying but just because of what it did for me in knowing that in some way, like you, didn't complete life that day, but that's definitely something that I'll put in my hat and I'll have in the rocking chair. Yeah, so, and I'm grateful, I am grateful for that moment, maybe even more than he understands. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And no, as a dad yourself.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:And I can say firsthand incredible, dad, I've got to to see it firsthand and meet your significant other as well. Yeah, beautiful family met. And that is another side that a lot of people from general glance don't get to see. About you two Again, there's many layers to the onion with you. I truly believe that and if you were just to base you on face value, probably the biggest connection would be you and the tits that may draw people in as maybe first glance, but then when you start pouring into you and you tits that may draw people in as maybe first glance, but then when you start pouring into and you start seeing your content, there's so many different things that you're involved with.
Speaker 1:Yes, you're scaling businesses, but then you put all aside and you and I have had personal conversations like bro, I just can't wait to go back home and see the kids yeah I've heard that coming out your mouth many times. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not something. I talk about a whole lot.
Speaker 1:I'm mostly known for my playboy ways Of course, and this is why I'm bringing it up my man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it probably wouldn't get brought up if we weren't so tight. And then you didn't know certain things about me. And we live in this world where people think it's one thing or the other. They're setting their ways and how they go about it. I don't lie in my life, there are no lies. So, yeah, you might see me here in Miami doing all this, but they don't know the background and just how much time, like I almost can guarantee you, I see my kids more than the average guy, because if you do the math on it, think about how often I'm there and then I'm there all day and they come and go. They might see their kids 30 minutes or their kids are in bed before they get home from work.
Speaker 3:man, I know being a father is so important too I was in a such like for me I have always you know, like flex when we became friends and I was around him and his family like made me love him even more because of being that good dad. Like being that man for your family is so important. And I know so many guys that they've been successful in their business and they've made money, but they hate their marriage. Their wives are miserable, the kids never see them and you've figured out one part of your life, man. But you really need to figure this out too if you really truly want to be happy, like if you're not around your kids and they're not getting what they need from you. What are you really doing as a man to pass on your life experience? Like that is an important part, and I think, as a man and I'm still no kids yet, I've still got just dogs, but one day, I've got that dog in him.
Speaker 2:That's what he's got.
Speaker 3:He definitely does. One day I look forward to giving that in all the experience to this little human, and I love when I'm around Flex and his family because it's inspiring. I appreciate it Because.
Speaker 2:I want to be the kind of dad you are.
Speaker 1:I appreciate it.
Speaker 2:I always say this Great one dad you are, I appreciate. I always say this I don't create one ever want to be the person to tell somebody what a real man is. I think that's oh. Every time I hear that I find it to be quite arrogant. Who the fuck am I to tell you what a real man is for you? But I will say this the man I want to be is a man that can hold a baby and slit a throat in the same day.
Speaker 3:I 100 agree. Yeah, yeah right, because you need to be formidable. Yeah, right, you need to have that. And you also need to be in touch with that side of yourself, call it your feminine part or whatever. Like you need to be in touch with your feelings and it's okay like we've as men.
Speaker 2:Sometimes we get into this mode, we just everything's tough, but you have to be able to be loving yeah, I believe that one part of masculinity that is missed online is that masculinity, even in its strength, can be gentle. Yes, because there is a certain air of confidence and in knowing your capabilities that can allow you to be gentle with people, because it's your strength that is secure enough to let it happen, and you also know that, if they take advantage of it, that you could take action. And I think that is something that gets to be used when it comes to being a father, particularly with little girls yes, conversations my gun collection grew fast every time I've also got.
Speaker 1:I already told them.
Speaker 3:I was like when the age comes we're gonna be like bad boys. Opening the door for the fourth school. Den of thrones, den of thieves that scene in den of thieves when the 50 cent calls the guy back into the garage and they're like no, I need all you gotta see that yeah so like the kid shows up at the house and he's oh, he's, come with me for a minute, he goes, he takes him to the garage and there's five dudes that just came straight out of prison.
Speaker 3:And he's my entire life. I've been the man in control of my daughter's life and it looks like today I have to hand that control to you. Oh, it's a great scene. Understand if that control and there's a problem, we're going to come get you right. I might be saying some of the words wrong, but like it's a very powerful scene, I love that.
Speaker 1:And he basically said that you will weep, or your grandmother will weep while you're in the wheelchair, something like that?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, he definitely gave him like a little threat and he was like okay, sir, I will be delivering your daughter back.
Speaker 1:bare-knuckle fighters and a couple of Polynesian guys, marbury boys, that's crazy Great guys great scene and something that's in my head that I want to recreate for real.
Speaker 2:I'm with you, I'll be there. So I'm living that moment.
Speaker 1:She's only eight right now. I think we've got another double time on that. But, justin, pleasure to have you. Is there anything that you want to wrap up and say to the fans and viewers of? Thanks?
Speaker 2:for having me guys. I really appreciate it. I wouldn't have missed this. I've been excited to come see the Dragon. It's layer right.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for a while now, and no other than that. Follow me on Instagram. We have jwallerdailycom so you can get the daily newsletters. I'm constantly sharing stories and things that I learned along my path that I hope are impactful. It's completely free.
Speaker 3:And and yeah, we're just going to keep growing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my man anything else part in.
Speaker 3:No, it's been a great conversation and uh appreciate everything that yeah, we've been talking about.
Speaker 1:It's awesome thank you tell us any parting words. You don't even have a mic, do you? We stole the mic because normally we've got three mics running today. But tell us not many chimes in your there. But tell us thank you for your parting words. I appreciate you in the back there, my Justin. We will have that training session at some point, but I will allow you to get a little bit bigger than me now in this process, until I get back into the gym.
Speaker 3:I've been trying to get bigger than him. In the process he's done a good job too, this fucker.
Speaker 1:This fucker's been at it. I think that's been a motivation for him. Now I've been injured, he's like, okay, I'm going to really take this up a notch.
Speaker 3:He's going to catch you Several notches actually, I really want to impress him, though, too, because we had some time off. I mean, man, we were going hard.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And we were going really hard and with his injury, I'm like I can't let this stop me from getting to my goal. I'm like I'm going to take a photo. I'll shirt it off, because I like putting pressure on myself to hit goals and deadlines, especially even with my physical right, like I always give myself a goal. I'm not just doing this. I'm like all right, that's the date I'm going to be shredded and I'm going to have to take a photo. I have to hit that date.
Speaker 1:So we got a date coming up that I have to hit and I'm working forward to having many more great memories made with you, maybe the fam and also on stage and many other opportunities maybe in business, who knows right but I feel like we've got some really great mutual friends that all want to see us do that next level, put us in also in positions where it truly tests us, pulls the best version out of ourselves, puts us in vulnerable situations, as we spoke about earlier.
Speaker 1:We've all leveled up. I've seen you level up. I got the chance, before we shoot off earlier, to see you on stage from that very first time of us in that mastermind and just see it into fruition on stage, talking about a very similar story and nonetheless being vulnerable that you never, as mentioned also would have spoke about in the past. But it just goes to show how you're continuing to evolve personally as well as in business and many other feathers to the hat. But again, from the standpoint of me and you being friends, the evolution has been clear. Man. That that stage, deliverance and confidence and that story you told me it was fantastic and I'm looking forward to seeing you on much more stages, talking in many more arenas, as you just did in limitless. Shout out to keaton also on that.
Speaker 2:Yeah for sure, we're just getting started. My, my friend just getting started.
Speaker 1:My man K rock, justin Waller flex Lewis, we are out.
